Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
Talking of Button and tyres ...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103846
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103846
Head To Head Jenson Button vs Lewis Hamilton
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The last time the two of them were in a straight fight was in Australia this year so today's race proves nothing, except sometimes Button beats Lewis and sometimes Lewis beats Button...
A more worrying fact is that both Lewis and Jenson finished one place lower than their grid position, and that Lewis only seems to go well when all his family are at the race giving the support he needs.....
A more worrying fact is that both Lewis and Jenson finished one place lower than their grid position, and that Lewis only seems to go well when all his family are at the race giving the support he needs.....
The whole season has been a head-to-head. Lewis has won on-track and Jenson has won off-track.
I'm sure Lewis enjoys having support around him and that it gives him a bit of a boost, as it would many drivers. For others it might be a distraction. To say that he only does well when he has his family with him would be to say he doesn't do well when he hasn't. I dont think that is in the least bit true.
I'm sure Lewis enjoys having support around him and that it gives him a bit of a boost, as it would many drivers. For others it might be a distraction. To say that he only does well when he has his family with him would be to say he doesn't do well when he hasn't. I dont think that is in the least bit true.
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
I think there is a question to be asked this weekend - and it relates purely to Button - why did he only do 1 run in Q3? Surely it would have made more sense to either do the same strategy as he did in Q2 (Run 3 fast laps), or alternatively do the same strategy as Hamilton (2 fast laps, then 1 fast lap)... The strategy Button did use would only make sense if he was trying to save tyres for the race, yet he never used his fresh set of soft tyres!.....
(EDIT: I don't want this to turn into a witch-hunt... Somewhere along the way, someone wasn't planning things very well)
(EDIT: I don't want this to turn into a witch-hunt... Somewhere along the way, someone wasn't planning things very well)
Given that they took two different approaches, I would imagine that the decision was as much Button's as the people around him. Maybe him and his engineer made a poor choice. Oh well.
snowy
Champion Elect
McLaren, Jenson and Lewis failed to consider their options, they had two tyres, one worked with the car, the other didn't. A one stopper is not 5 seconds quicker than a two stopper if you are going to spend half the race on shagged out rubber. Setting up the car to out qualify the Red Bull was futile, particularly as it also restricted 7th gear. They should have opted for as short as possible stint on the tyre they knew wasn't working, and a flat out assault with two stops.
Ferrari and Alonso's gearing for the DRS zone showed they had thought about how they were going to get the best result possible. Something they have done remarkably well all season long.
Ferrari and Alonso's gearing for the DRS zone showed they had thought about how they were going to get the best result possible. Something they have done remarkably well all season long.
The Artist..... I think Button did use a similar strategy to Q2 only doing 1 run of multiple laps, but probably only doing 2 fast laps on his 5 lap run rather than the 3 fast laps (on a 7 lap run) he did in Q2 so as not to overly wear the tyres he was starting on. I don't think the strategy was to save a new set of tyres for the race, they always planned to do a 1 stop, he just found he was able to extract more 1 lap pace from the tyres after doing a few laps rather than a hard out lap. His single run in Q3 was on new tyres.
His fastest time in Q2 (which would have been good enough for P3 in Q3) was on his 6th lap on one set of tyres. In Q1 it took both McLaren drivers 8 laps on one set of tyres to do their fastest laps for that sesssion. Perhaps the McLaren was just not as good as other cars at heating up their tyres and particularly with Button's smoother driving style they planned accordingly for that with their slightly unorthodox qualifying strategy.
His fastest time in Q2 (which would have been good enough for P3 in Q3) was on his 6th lap on one set of tyres. In Q1 it took both McLaren drivers 8 laps on one set of tyres to do their fastest laps for that sesssion. Perhaps the McLaren was just not as good as other cars at heating up their tyres and particularly with Button's smoother driving style they planned accordingly for that with their slightly unorthodox qualifying strategy.
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
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I know all that - but it does beg the question of given that Hamilton did a 5 lap run (With 3 fast laps) followed by a 3 lap run (With 1 fast lap) in Q3, why JB didn't choose to do the same thing - certainly they dropped the ball, as it probably would have been better to do a 7 lap run in Q3, with 5 fast laps, as he had done in Q2... (Although I do always wonder why the McLarens always have a back-off lap as well - Red Bull don't seem to need to do this!)
I know all that - but it does beg the question of given that Hamilton did a 5 lap run (With 3 fast laps) followed by a 3 lap run (With 1 fast lap) in Q3, why JB didn't choose to do the same thing - certainly they dropped the ball, as it probably would have been better to do a 7 lap run in Q3, with 5 fast laps, as he had done in Q2... (Although I do always wonder why the McLarens always have a back-off lap as well - Red Bull don't seem to need to do this!)
The Artist.....With Q3 being only 10 mins there wouldn't been enough time to do 2 multiple fast lap runs. If it took Jenson 6 laps on options to do his fastest lap time what would be the point in doing a short run like Hamilton if he didn't feel a run with only 1 fast lap would be enough to extract the pace out of the tyres when it clearly wasn't before? Better to do what they did and do one multiple lap run towards the end of Q3 when the track would be at it's fastest. He finished his fastest lap in Q3 6 seconds before Hamilton finished his.
As I said above, doing a 7 lap run in Q3 would probably have taken too much out of the tyres for the race. After Perez, Button was the first driver to pit after his first stint, probably partly due to the fact that he did more qualifying laps than anyone else on his starting tyres.
I really just think they made the best of the situation they were in.
As I said above, doing a 7 lap run in Q3 would probably have taken too much out of the tyres for the race. After Perez, Button was the first driver to pit after his first stint, probably partly due to the fact that he did more qualifying laps than anyone else on his starting tyres.
I really just think they made the best of the situation they were in.
RickD
Pole Sitter
Is that the same thing as Lewis and his clutch?
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103837?source=mostpopular
Jenson Button said:
For those critics that say that Jenson is always making excuses, here he sounds rather more like a man admitting that he is not a man-for-all-jobs - an opinion many often echoed by many of his critics. I don't know which I would prefer. I admire the honesty but it's not great self-promotion.
Lewis makes the most excuses of anyone it's always someone else's fault be it other drivers, his girlfriend his dad, the wrong rear wing, I was told to lie to the stewards, the stewards have got it in for me, just about anything really.
Aren't you the expert on clutching RickD!
For years we've heard about Jenson's smooth driving and excellent tyre management. What Fenderman was referring to was how times have changed given he is seemingly having problems with them whereas Hamilton in this race made them last way longer.
To be the same thing there would have been a load of talk about Hamilton's excellent clutch control over Button.
For years we've heard about Jenson's smooth driving and excellent tyre management. What Fenderman was referring to was how times have changed given he is seemingly having problems with them whereas Hamilton in this race made them last way longer.
To be the same thing there would have been a load of talk about Hamilton's excellent clutch control over Button.
It is no secret that Jenson has struggled all year with this years tyres, last year it was a different story, you can't just come to a conclusion and call it a fact without looking at the whole picture and despite this he has achieved some pretty decent result amongst the bad ones.....
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