I misquoted nothing. I knew exactly what I was saying thank you very much.
How Good is Sebastian Vettel?
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OK. Perhaps misquoted was not the right word. I'm not sure what would be if it isn't but that might just be my English letting me down. I did not mean to cause offence. I am surprised, however, that you were intent in your statement that Sebastian Vettel is the only superstar currently in F1. Each to their own opinions, though.
Ah. Perhaps "deliberate misquote" would have been more fitting. It's just that I didn't know whether it was deliberate or not. So actually, yes, misquote was correct in the context that I used it.
I'm dizzy from reading that.
The does not mean only it means top dog. so therefore my statement was saying Sebastian is far more than one of the so called stars but is top gun, bug cheif, numero uno, the man at the top of his game. Being as he has won the last two world championships and is just coming off the back of a hattrick of wins and looks like securing his third title in a row I'm not sure how he can be viewed as anything but really.
The does not mean only it means top dog. so therefore my statement was saying Sebastian is far more than one of the so called stars but is top gun, bug cheif, numero uno, the man at the top of his game. Being as he has won the last two world championships and is just coming off the back of a hattrick of wins and looks like securing his third title in a row I'm not sure how he can be viewed as anything but really.
I would view him as one of the superstars of F1 rather than the superstar of F1. My reasoning is that there are other drivers and team members that could be and are considered superstars of F1. That is why I questioned your point. No other reason than that, and I happen to think that it's a rather good one.
He's certainly one of the biggest names if not the biggest name at the moment, particularly if he goes on to defend his world championship again. In actual terms, Schumacher was the superstar (for better or for worse) of the early 2000's just like Vettel could be doing of the early 2010's
I'd say Schumacher was a megastar. There were some superstars in Hakkinen and Alonso and some others and the rest of the field were stars. I don't think Vettel is yet elevated above the other superstars as a megastar.
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It pains me to say it but I see Vettel as a better driver than Schumacher even when Schuey was winning all the titles back to back, reasons:
Schuey had a car far better than anything else on the grid.
Seb is going to this season win his 3rd title, with 2 of those titles when having a worse car than McLaren.
Schuey whenever pushed by a decent driver always punted them off the track.
Seb just drives round the outside of them, e.g. Grande Curve
Schuey always had a schmuck No. #2 who would support him.
Seb has Mr Grit, who's never around to do that, well recently. (okay this last argument point is a bit lame)
As for 'Megastar', please please no no NO, please do not use descriptive words like that, you're pandering to everything what is wrong with self inflated celebratory status of the media world today.
Schumacher was a great driver in an equally great car, Seb is a good driver about to jump to the Great level (3 titles) in what is a good car (again it itself is about to move to a Great car with it's own title).
Megastar (if I really have to use it to finish off this argumentative point) is something you associate with a person who is by far better than anyone else at their sport, if you want someone who is anywhere close to being a 'MegaStar' in their sport, you have to look at Mr Loeb in Rallying.
I certainly don't think that McLaren have had a better car than Red Bull over any of those seasons. I think it will become evident over the year that the Red Bull has once again been the class of the field. The constructors championship is a very good indication of that.
I used he word "megastar" to illustrate a point. In response to the use of "superstar" to elaborate along with "star" into tiers to help create a clearer distinction beyond black and white.
I have also at no point said that Schumacher was a better driver. When we talk of stardom we talk of celebrity. This can be achieved through imperious demonstration of driving ability, through entertainment factor and through audience empathy, among other things.
I think you have misunderstood the point.
I used he word "megastar" to illustrate a point. In response to the use of "superstar" to elaborate along with "star" into tiers to help create a clearer distinction beyond black and white.
I have also at no point said that Schumacher was a better driver. When we talk of stardom we talk of celebrity. This can be achieved through imperious demonstration of driving ability, through entertainment factor and through audience empathy, among other things.
I think you have misunderstood the point.
Ninja,
I think that, at the start of this season, Ferrari, McLaren and Lotus were all better than the Red Bulls. The results showed it. The Bulls are better now, through the "magic" of a little thing called development. And the drivers are VERY involved in developing their cars. Vettel has been instrumental in making the Bulls what they are at the moment.
I think that, at the start of this season, Ferrari, McLaren and Lotus were all better than the Red Bulls. The results showed it. The Bulls are better now, through the "magic" of a little thing called development. And the drivers are VERY involved in developing their cars. Vettel has been instrumental in making the Bulls what they are at the moment.
I don't disagree with any of that, except that it's "magic" - that's just silly. Development is also quite a big thing. What's with the sarcasm?
The reason for the sarcasm is the second line of your posting :"the Red Bull has once again been the class of the field".
That implies that they have been the best since the start of the season, which clearly was not the case. They have developed their way to the front, and Vettel has been instrumental in that development. Based strictly on surfaces appearances, it looks as though Vettel is certainly one of the best, and quite possibly the best of the current drivers at developing a car.
That implies that they have been the best since the start of the season, which clearly was not the case. They have developed their way to the front, and Vettel has been instrumental in that development. Based strictly on surfaces appearances, it looks as though Vettel is certainly one of the best, and quite possibly the best of the current drivers at developing a car.
I don't see that as an invitation for sarcasm. If Red Bull's form continues to the end of the season it will be very easy to argue that the Red Bull has been, on average, the best car over the season in terms of qualifying pace, race pace and also reliability. I made no implication that they have been the best since the start of the season. I think you may have incorrectly read between the lines.
I know nothing of Vettel's ability to develop a race car and no very little about any other driver's ability in that respect, either.
I know nothing of Vettel's ability to develop a race car and no very little about any other driver's ability in that respect, either.
I don't think that's a conclusion which can be reached.
It could be Vettel, Webber, neither or both.
We have no idea how much each team member has contributed to car development over the season.
Personally I'm not sure about drivers developing the car at all. Being masters of set-up I can believe (Barrichello was renowned for it) but I don't see what input they can offer other than, more "rear downforce please". Not as if they're the ones back at the factory behind the CFD machine or in the wind tunnel. Just an opinion.
As for Vettel. He could be a great, he could be a very good driver being flattered, made to look like a great of the sport. It's still too early to say, once he's been paired with one of Hamilton or Alonso and given a pig of a car his mettle will be tested for all to see. He's had a good car in that STR3 and 3 championship-worthy Red Bulls, even Hamilton who is lauded by some as (undeservingly) landing in a brilliant seat had a terrible car in the first half of 2009 and has had to fight tooth and nail in 2010-2011 to even get victories.
As for Vettel. He could be a great, he could be a very good driver being flattered, made to look like a great of the sport. It's still too early to say, once he's been paired with one of Hamilton or Alonso and given a pig of a car his mettle will be tested for all to see. He's had a good car in that STR3 and 3 championship-worthy Red Bulls, even Hamilton who is lauded by some as (undeservingly) landing in a brilliant seat had a terrible car in the first half of 2009 and has had to fight tooth and nail in 2010-2011 to even get victories.
Maybe it's the other guy - Adrian Newey
Nando says just as much..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/20109454
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