Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
6 different champions between 84-93
5 different champions between 94-03
6 different champions between 04-13

Seems all about level to me.
 
For those without such good long term memories:
2006-2009: 4 different champions from 4 different constructors.
2010-2013: 1 champion from 1 constructor.
 
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Alonso's Abu Dhabi helmet design
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I still think celebrating a record achieved because the rules changed is bad form, nonetheless. He's got so much to be proud of without clutching at such straws.
 
Change the rules, change the response!

Yes, Nando should be proud of what he has achieved, but as a 'competitive person' he doesn't see it like that. Racers aren't run-of-the-mill blokes and have different responses to all us mere mortals.
 
I disagree Jen. Spain may take an interest in F1 because of Fernando but so what? It wouldn't matter who was sitting in the lead Ferrari, the Italian fans would still go mad for their beloved cars and Ferrari supporters around the World would still come out in droves to support the red cars.

To celebrate an "achievement" of scoring the the most points in F1 is facile and disingenuous. Both Ferrari and Fernando are clutching at straws as they get their arses handed to them each weekend by a fizzy drinks company. Great drivers have come and gone and I have no doubt Fernando was a great driver but I'm not sure he still is. It will be interesting to see if Vettel makes such a song and dance when he passes Fernando's points total, which will probably be by mid-season 2014.
 
Strangely, I wasn't thinking of Spanish viewers nor Ferrari fans!

Facile and disingenuous is a must in F1 and particularly strong in F1 statistics - but if it gives a driver an edge (or belief) why not?

"I have no doubt Fernando was a great driver but I'm not sure he still is." He was, maybe, a lucky driver when he won his 2 x WDCs. I suspect he is now becoming one of the great drivers, albeit without statistical back up - (if it ain't got a number it don't matter) - and how does anyone record that?

"It will be interesting to see if Vettel makes such a song and dance when he passes Fernando's points total" You bet he will, not a boy for quiet reflection!!
 
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"I have no doubt Fernando was a great driver but I'm not sure he still is." He was, maybe, a lucky driver when he won his 2 x WDCs. I suspect he is now becoming one of the great drivers, albeit without statistical back up - (if it ain't got a number it don't matter) - and how does anyone record that?
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Unrelated but to your point about statistics, google "the no-stats all star"
 
FB ……You were quick to condemn me when I felt Vettels second title was won by the car, yet now you don't appear to consider the car could be playing a role in Alonso's decline. :whistle:

I would suggest if Ferrari can put a half decent car under Fernando he will once again be the driver to beat. I consider the car plays a part in Alonso's successes and his down times also. You see FB I try to keep my views consistent regardless of the driver I'm referring to. :)

Just for the record I believe Vettels last two seasons have been top draw due to a superlative driver who possibly has even more to come before he peaks. I don't consider he was driving at this level in the year of his second title, I still believe that was the year the car won.
 
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Or just maybe, it's time to give Massa a bit of credit every now and then?
Poor Felipe, he really can't win can he? He gets beat by Alonso, and he doesn't deserve an F1 seat anymore. He beats Alonso and it's just because Fernando's not doing great at the moment...
 
Well, if he's getting outqualified by Massa, there's a relative decline for sure.
Alonso's not perfect, I don't think anyone would suggest he is. Massa beat him in Q2 by a tenth!!!!!!! Alonso made a very small error which impacted on the two corners that followed and cost him dearly, certainly more than a tenth, in reality probably at least half a second.
One error doesn't indicate a decline. I think it's fair to say when drivers are limited by a poor car, there reaches a point when the car becomes such leveler, that even a top flight driver can't lift himself above it, regardless how talented he is.
 
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