Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Ferrari apparently failed to read the Maurice Hamilton article. Alonso has prepared a special helmet for for the Indian GP, this one emblazoned with the number '1571' and the label, "F1 Points World Record."

It's easy to label Ferrari as publicity whores for the move, but when you consider competing in F1 is Ferrari's sole means of advertising, I think it only natural they wring their results for every last centisimo.
 
I thought this bit was quite funny ...

"In those days, it was eight points for a win, dropping to 2 points for fifth place, plus an extra point for fastest lap (a nice touch which ought to be revived to add interest to the final laps of processional races we see from time to time)."

... maybe if other blokes were trying to put in the fastest lap Sebastian Vettel might blow his engine up or spin out just to shake things up a bit. How punching in a fastest lap would otherwise solve the processional issue is a mystery to me. Still, I suppose Maurice has a point (sic).
 
The point would be won by a bloke who'd dropped out in Q1, was out of the points at the end and had a brand new set of options to throw on for one lap. Gutierrez/Vergne would be well set!
 
Or Vettel would push to get a pit stop in his pocket and pit for fresh tyres before the end.

Oh and to bring the topic back to Fernando I'll point out that the biggest gap between championships anybdriver has had is Niki Lauda. When he won the championship in 1984 there had been a whole seven seasons of racing between his title in 1977. Alonso is just about to finish his 7th season of racing since his last title with no championship so to win another title he will have to do something no other driver has ever done.

In actual fact Lauda didn't race for 2 of those seasons meaning that no driver has ever raced more than 5 seasons between titles which actually means Lewis Hamilton would have to break that record to win another title too.

Stats eh?
 
Hm, Lauda won 1st title at age 26 and last at age 35. Alonso won 1st title at the age of 23 and is now 32 with a few more F1 seasons in him. Hamilton also won his title at age 23 and is now 28 so, like Alonso, potentially has a lot of time left in F1. Kimi's not out of the running for this kind of record either - age 28 in his title year, 34 now.

Jokers in the pack are of course Vettel and Newey who could carry on locking everybody out of titles for years. Who knows ... stranger things have been known to happen in F1.

I'm sure though that this is one "record" that will not be uppermost in Fernando's mind. Clocking up more championship titles probably has more meaning for him.
 
But have you calculated in the factor that as drivers as starting younger so must the older one's retire earlier. Button is not being talked about past 2014 and he's only 33. Massa's career is seen as over at 32. Davide Valsechhi is thought of as too old at 27 to have any future starting out in the sport.

If some bright maths spark could figure out the average age of the Grid when Lauda won in 84 and the grid today we could maybe see the time slide.
 
If they were boxers getting their braincells depleted every bout I'd agree with you, but I think there are plenty of drivers in endurance racing proving that they are far from finished before reaching 40. In fact with the danger of serious injury and death being so much rarer in F1 I suspect the main reason for drivers losing their edge - i.e. fear - is less of a factor these days. Other factors such as reaction times can and should be compensated for by experience. Endurance is a matter of fitness and the individual's desire to maintain it. Sure, beyond 40yrs or so the physical side may indeed be too much.
 
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Let us not forget an American bicyclist aged 41 just last month won the Vuelta a España, becoming the oldest Grand Tour winner in history. Forty is the new thirty (and EPO is the new breakfast of champions).
 
Schumi was the over 30 yes. He was also two of the under 30's in the 94-03 period as well (the other being Villeneurve)

Just looked at 84-93 and there is only one champion under 30 (Senna's 88). Def a pattern here. Who's good with graphs?
 
One person clocking up 7 titles and another clocking up 4 (shortly) doesn't help to prove the age hypothesis. It could be said that being German is as advantageous as being young!:o:thinking::facepalm:LOL
 
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