Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Not winning a championship for seven years despite being one of the best drivers on the grid and having a car that's getting less competitive by the week is reason enough to have a bit of a low key end to the season anyway. He has nothing to fight for and all he can realistically fight for is 7th assuming the Red Bulls, Mercedes and Lotuses don't have problems.
 
So far the FIA have not updated their stewards decisions for today but I assume that Alonso will be penalised. It certainly looked like he agrees, he drove as hard as possible right to the end of the race. He made 15.7 seconds over Massa in that stint, if You add 20 seconds on to that for a penalty he still finishes one place behind Massa having effectively overtaken Sutil and Perez after he had cleared di Resta and possibly Maldonado as well.

The team gave him the strategy and he carried it out to the letter apart from that one unfortunate incident. Not fighting? I don't believe a word of it.

Neither does Kewee :)
 
Unfortunately (or otherwise if he gets a let off) there is a point where Fernando should have been able to see Vergne - even if only in his peripheral vision. His fifth visit to Abu Dhabi means that he cannot be unaware of the perils of leaving pit lane on that corner so a quick glance to his right would have been enough and i suggest should by now have been standard practice.

Having committed to racing Vergne through the corner he should have been aware that he would run out of space and IMHO should have backed off. After all, he would have slotted in behind Vergne who would have been easy meat in te DRS zones.

I rate Alonso as one of the best drivers of our era but that move demonstrated to me that he is driving with quite a bit of frustration inside is helmet. It's not the first time he has made temperamental decisions in recent seasons. I wonder if that is a sign that he is losing his edge and I wonder also if he has now passed the peak of his powers. A driver of his experience should drive more with his head not his heart because it his his experience that will compensate for the inevitable drop off in his reactions and pace as he gets older. Still everyone has an off day ...

Edit: Incidentally, Vergne will have been looking through the corner - i.e. to his right - and will not have seen Alonso until it was too late. Even if he had looked to his left to Alonso he was committed to his line and had nowhere to go.
 
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What gets me about both incidents is that all weekend we heard how the stewards would come down hard on exceeding track limits. Many of the drivers simply gave a middle finger salute to that one and at least two blatant incidents that attracted investigation were dismissed. What message is that for the Stewards and drivers for the rest of the season?

Are we the punters going to be left screaming "foul!" when our favourite drivers are penalised for similar or dare I say it milder transgressions at Austin and Brazil? Or will the stewards at those races be as impotent as all Hades breaks out as the mid-fielders and back-markers scrabble for the last chance to reap decent points?
 
Wasn't it only at certain corners (which suggest a driver can go where he wants at others) - sure I read this somewhere - and, I expect, India had some impact on not enforcing the 'stay on track rule'.
 
The last two corners "rule" was in relation to having lap times disallowed. The exceeding track limits is a standing rule in the sporting regulations. Many times over the weekend, in all three categories (GP3, GP2 and F1), commentators referred to race control instructions that there would be low tolerance for infringements.
 
Had they given every driver a drive through for each time they went off the circuit they would still be running. Have a 20 metre stretch of slippery material between the point where a driver is off the circuit and the concrete/tarmac safe area for recovery. Not only will it stop drivers purposely going outside the track limits it would also reduce the number of incidents reported to the stewards.
 
Had they given every driver a drive through for each time they went off the circuit they would still be running. Have a 20 metre stretch of slippery material between the point where a driver is off the circuit and the concrete/tarmac safe area for recovery. Not only will it stop drivers purposely going outside the track limits it would also reduce the number of incidents reported to the stewards.
The FIA might enact just such a measure ...if they were interested in the quality of the competition.


But they aren't, so they won't.
 
Well maybe he'll stay on track in future!
Do you seriously mean Alonso should have driven into Vergne. It was Vergne who admitted after the race he hadn't seen Alonso. The stewards have stated Alonso took the only choice he could. Hey, but lets just blame Alonso anyway, what would the stewards know.
 
Vergne was in no position to see Alonso who was behind and quite some distance to his left as he (Alonso) exited the pit lane. Alonso made a conscious decision to perform the overtake. He was the one who could and should have backed off. To be frank, and IMHO, it was a depressingly rookie error on his part. I also think he knew as much and that he might get a penalty for it since he drove like an absolute demon for the rest of the race.

As I mentioned earlier I regard Alonso as one of the finest drivers in the sport but that makes the incident all the more depressing. I don't expect that sort of thing from him and I really hope that we don't see any more of it.
 
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Fenderman ….. You clearly disagree with Vergne, who praised Alonso for avoiding a massive accident, and the stewards who believed Alonso had no choice but to take the action he did. Your perfectly entitled to your opinion Fenderman but at least acknowledge your views are the opposite to the drivers involved and the stewards. If you read their report you will know why they chose not to apportion blame to either driver, it's your choice whether you agree or not. It's very easy for us to form opinions on what a driver should do while we're sitting in our lounge chairs, it's a little different for a driver sitting with his ass a couple of inches off the track doing close to 200mph. All credit to Alonso for being able to look back at the incident in the calm after the race and truly believe he made the right choice in the heat of the moment.
 
F1 can chose to close ranks and sing from one hymn sheet if it so wishes. Yes, I do indeed have the luxury of a comfy sofa. I also have two good eyes to see with not to mention access to iPlayer and the ability to rewind and review said incident. It's not rocket science.

Whilst Alonso's accident avoidance may seem praiseworthy to Vergne he was not on the "outside looking in". He may well think differently after watching a video in private (if he choses to do so). The fact remains that Alonso created an avoidable situation either by neglect or by "accident".

As for your remarks about how entitled I am to my opinion well you too are welcome to yours Kewee but I will not knock you for having them. I will however remind you that you chose to state the fact that Vergne had not seen Alonso. That is what prompted my response since the implication was that somehow he should have.
 
Fenderman ….. I'm not knocking you for having a different opinion. I only entered this thread to repeat the drivers and stewards views, not my own, for those who may have missed varying reports. The reason I value the stewards views above others, they have the advantage of much input from a variety of sources, far more than we have, including additional film we don't have access to. I think what annoys me most is whenever an incident involves Alonso, even when he's been cleared by the stewards, many see it as an opportunity to go Alonso bashing. I find that tiresome and therefore don't back away from the discussion. Before anyone leaps into me being an Alonso fan I'll just say I've frequently defended other drivers in the past, including Hamilton, Button, and Webber among others, so no, I'm not being biased.
 
Well it's the first time I've been accused of Alonso bashing. Steward bashing? Guilty ... and I will continue to bash them at every opportunity :D
 
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