Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Had me a little confused there as well. Just blew away ten minutes back tracking through the thread looking for a "connected" post as I thought I had missed one. It must have something to do with NZ being nearly 1/2 a day ahead. Must be a nightmare for continuity.:)
 
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No problem Hamberg. Everyone seemed to be discussing where Ferrari's pace had gone and why they were having problems. I decided it may be helpful to quote Alonso's comments made on the BBC site. He may well have a point. Ferrari appeared at the beginning of the season to have got their design right regarding the tyres Pirreli gave them to work with in September prior to the season start. Lotus seemed to achieve good compatibility also, Red Bull didn't appear to make such a good job with their car. Regardless of whether people apportion blame, when Pirreli changed the design of their tyres in the interests of safety Ferrari and also Lotus to a lesser extent, appear to have lost their completive edge whereas Red Bull have become almost unbeatable. I know safety comes first but it seems incredibly unfair when a team that clearly got it wrong regarding their cars ability to work with the tyres supplied, are suddenly rewarded by a change in the design of the tyres. Bare in mind had safety not been an issue they would have had to live with the original tyres as they are only allowed to change the design in the interests of safety. Although Lotus seem to have worked around the problem they were the most vocal in complaining about the issue, Ferrari have just accepted it and are trying to make the most of a difficult situation.
 
Had me a little confused there as well. Just blew away ten minutes back tracking through the thread looking for a "connected" post as I thought I had missed one. It must have something to do with NZ being nearly 1/2 a day ahead. Must be a nightmare for continuity.:)
Numerous people had been commenting on where Ferrari's pace had gone, you only had to look back a couple of postings to see that. Hamberg and RasputinLives had made comments just before mine which is why I added my comments, all on the same morning. :rolleyes:
 
A page worth of posts preceding yours were discussing the theory that 'Nando is underperforming. and being outclassed. Whilst your posts, Kewee , are sound comments, it was the marked difference in take that threw me as it wasn't quite in concert with the direction the conversation had been taking. Therefore I thought I had missed something. That's all.:dunno:
 
No problem Fenderman though now I'm confused. The page worth of posts you mention refer to Fernando underperforming, in other words lacking pace. My posting was on topic. I was pointing out the reason Fernando was underperforming and lacking pace was quite likely due to tyres, as the BBC interview with him pointed out. I may have confused things by referring back to his 2007 interview. I did so to preempt those who were likely to leap in and accuse him of making excuses, by simply pointing out he doesn't make excuses, never has, just accepts his mistakes and moves on. :cheers:
 
But Alonso already has competed in a dozen more Grand Prix than Prost, and of course Alain's podiums came in an era when half-a-dozen mechanical retirements per season were the norm. ;)
 
And all of the 'great modern racers' were nothing more than adolescents when they joined the F1 circus. (Before anyone picks me up on this, I'm talking in terms of the last ten years or so!)

Stupidity and a feeling of right has to figure high in their psyche - and if they are successful, those feelings are slow to dissipate. Are we to hold that against them for the rest of their career or should we 'grow up' in the same way that some of them do?
 
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FA now the highest points scorer in F1 history....1571, yesterday he overtook MS who had 1566
But points changed from 2010 onwards...10 for a win to 25 etc..
 
And MS was involved from 2010 to 2012, giving Alonso an advantage of 16 races so far, MS has 6 seasons more in F1.

Not as spurious a comparison as it would first seem.
 
I'm sure someone's been bothered to work it out as if the points system were the same since the first F1 GP.
BTW, I haven't been bothered.
 
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