Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
I'm sure the argument will be made he was unfourtunate in a of them but the real answer is ZERO.

Lets not forget if Alonso and Ferrari hadn't made a tactical error in the last race of the season in 2010 and Alonso had been able to get past Petrov the title was very much in his grasp.
 
So you've never suggested that anyone who drives an Adrian Newy car would be winning championships? hmmm.
No I haven't. I did say I know of two drivers who could have equalled Vettel if they had a car like the Red Bull at their disposal. If you lift the meaning out of that statement you'll understand I'm acknowledging Newey's greatness. I'm not sure why your feeling the need to have a go at me by distorting everything I say. :(
 
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RasputinLives i think you're being unkind here. We all have our favourites.

We can argue endlessly about the rights and wrongs of any past situation, we can even interpret statistics differently, but we can not deny the fact that Alonso is someone special when on the track (and I mean special in the old sense of the word).

He has had crap cars, bad team calls, outside interference and driver errors but he has always been close (certainly in the last 4 years) to the WDC, which suggests to me that he is a great racer and one of the 'modern best'.
 
I'm not denying that Jen I think he is a very talented race driver. I just think if you look at the situation over the last few years he's been beaten by another talented race driver who has made less mistakes than Fernando has.

I think the whole "only coz of the Red Bull" doesn't really hold weight when comparing them. The only season I can see it might is 2011 and even then I'm not sure I'd put my money on Alonso having matched Seb's result if he'd been driving it.

No one is saying he's not great. I just think its time to exknowledge how good the guy beating him is and for some people to admitt Fernando has made errors.
 
All drivers make errors.

Seb has had a phenomenal car for the last few seasons unlike the rest of the field - this should be seen as an advantage - which is why peeps query the man's mettle.

However, this is the Nando thread and we should applaud him for what he is doing against fairly dire odds. And accept that others have a fair point.
 
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Hamberg ...... I said they both won 5 during the season. You can't go much further back than the first GP in Australia. :givemestrength:

I said 'closing races' hence the last few, which is the basis of my argument. Seb pulled it together and capitalised on others (team or driver) succumbing to the pressure of the final hurdle therefore him not car won that season.
 
However, this is the Nando thread and we should applaud him for what he is doing against fairly dire odds. And accept that others have a fair point.

You are right this is the Nando thread and if he needs celebrating then I will celebrate him however this year I think he's had a poor season by the standards we know he can reach. He and Ferrari did not take advantage of their early season form and should be a lot closer to Seb than they are. Alonso has been especially below par in qualifying this year and has left himself with mountains to climb before he even starts. I can't help but feel if he'd managed to put it on the 1st or 2nd row like he was suppose to then his quick starts would have made a lot of difference to how the races went. Frankly I'm dissapointed with a driver I rate highly.

Just as I was dissapointed with him giving away the title in 2010 and his lack of spark in the finale of 2007.

Alonso is a great driver but he is not the flawless under dog only let down by his machinary he is made out to be. I may sound a bit harsh but I'm getting a little tired of the three man "we're the best on the grid really" gang who pat each other on the back with 'he's my biggest rival' moments and suggest they are only being beat by Adrian Newy.

Its time to face facts. The so called big 3 have been inconsistant and error prone in the last few years where as the boy who is winning it all may have an awesome car under him but has boughtva consistancy in top performances not seen from any of these guys.

Alonso is a great but I'm afraid he is being out classed.
 
Do you really think so Ras? His qualifying hasn't been great but most of the times I've put that down to the car, his races have been pretty impressive haven't they? I'm a consistently good driver when there are no other cars near me.
 
The Ferrari has performed better in race trim than in qualifying in the last few years. So if he's bad in qualifying because of the car has he been impressive in the race because of the car as well?
 
Potentially. Its the age old argument isn't it, car or driver. You can only judge someone against their team mate really.
 
Hamberg he's been behind Massa way to often.

I accept that it might be hard for him to pick off the Red Bulls and the Mercs but he should have at least been close. You say the Ferrari has been better in race trim but it hasn't for Massa.

Just feel like Fernando has been slack on Saturdays. Not as slack as Kimi but slack all the same.
 
Perhaps nando has his car set up more for the race? I guess we don't know but I certainly wouldn't consider him to be slacking. I think Massa is almost back to his best and at his best he wasn't shit.
 
Alonso has always been honest with himself, if he feels he's at fault he accepts blame and moves on. At the end of the 2007 season when asked if the turmoil at McLaren had cost him the title he said no, "I lost it in Japan". For those that don't remember he crashed out in the wet. Regarding this season he has said Ferrari haven't been able to adapt their car to the new Pirrelli tyres. I think it's fair to say he doesn't make excuses which is why I opened this posting with his comment on the 2007 season, it's also fair to say that their title challenge dropped off the cliff around the same time as Pirreli's tyre upgrades. Alonso took himself out in Malaysia and had DRS failure in Bahrain but even without those issues they were going nowhere in a hurry after the Pirreli changes.
 
Hamberg ...... No response to anyone at all. Everything in my posting came from two sources. The reference to tyres and there impact on Ferrari's recent lack of pace came from a BBC Alonso interview and is there for all to read. The reference to Alonso's comments at the end of 2007 were from an interview he gave in the F1 magazine, also available for all to read at the time, though unfortunately probably ignored by those who dislike Alonso and therefore had no interest in reading anything he had to say.

There's no mixed messages in my postings Hamberg, if I aim any of my comments at anyone you will know, as I address my postings to whoever they may concern. If I haven't named anyone then they're just a general comment. There's no need to treat my postings with suspicion, I simply say what I mean and mean what I say, without motive and without meaning to cause offense to anyone.
 
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I'm not suspicious Kewee it was just a little random and I wondered if he'd been accused of not taking responsibility which is a new one to me. But that's cool.
 
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