Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
RasputinLives ...... and his statistics will be equally irrelevant. I can think of two current drivers that could have equalled Vettel had they been fortunate enough to have a car like the Red Bull at their disposal. There have been very few occasions the playing field has been relatively even. The Stewart era was one which is one reason I rate him so highly.
 
I don't think RasputinLives post was bigging up Sebastian Vettel, more so the fact that due to the new points system he'll surpass many of them as he's constantly winning.

But I guess, it doesn't stop people bringing up the old argument of "if other drivers drove the Red Bull car..."
 
Blah blah blah its all the car. boring.

Sorry Kewee but Vettel is taking advantage of his career opertunuties far better than Alonso or anyone else currently in F1 which is part of being a great F1 driver. You can bleat about Newy this and Newy that all you like but Alonso especially has had his chances in the last few years. This season alone he should be a lot closer to Vettel than he is if it wasn't for a bunch of errors at the start of the season and lots of poor Qualufying.

As time goes on the excuses get thinner.

Plus your last comment suggests if Alonso or others had been in the Red Bull they'd have got better results than Sebastian. Ermmmm how?
 
Seb's first championship was won through keeping a level head towards the end of the season unlike Alonso that year. The driver won that not the car/team.
 
As for the career points tallies being meaningless since the way points are computed is different than in days of yore. Another reason is that the number of races in a season is VASTLY greater now than it used to be (over twice as many).
 
The differences between the eras are profound, to be sure. Schumacher had 307 career starts. In the pre-Mod Scot F1, what were the odds a driver could survive contesting 307 races?

Nonetheless, the fact that the WDC is contingent on a driver's numerical score makes the statistical comparisons inevitable.
 
Blah blah blah its all the car. boring.

Sorry Kewee but Vettel is taking advantage of his career opertunuties far better than Alonso or anyone else currently in F1 which is part of being a great F1 driver. You can bleat about Newy this and Newy that all you like but Alonso especially has had his chances in the last few years. This season alone he should be a lot closer to Vettel than he is if it wasn't for a bunch of errors at the start of the season and lots of poor Qualufying.

As time goes on the excuses get thinner.

Plus your last comment suggests if Alonso or others had been in the Red Bull they'd have got better results than Sebastian. Ermmmm how?
The two postings I made acknowledged Sir Jackies greatness though you don't seem to be interested in that. I didn't mention Alonso nor did I make any reference to Newey, you overlooked one of the two drivers I was referring to was Hamiliton.
 
Seb's first championship was won through keeping a level head towards the end of the season unlike Alonso that year. The driver won that not the car/team.
Your memory is very short and very distorted. Alonso had a sensational year in 2010 and lost to Vettel due to a very bad strategy call by the team. Everyone in pit lane would agree with that statement.
 
Didn't Seb win most of the closing races which not only put him in contention but also allowed him to capitalise on that final race?

I can bring other drivers into the same losing it and the end of season bracket but when it really matters Seb is the best.
 
Vettel and Alonso were pretty evenly matched in the second half of 2010. Looking back (and hindsight is a wonderful thing) Vettel won the title at the British Grand Prix when he fought back to 7th after his first lap puncture and Alonso lost it by not giving the place back to Kubica and getting a drive through under the safety car. You could suggest Ferrari cost Alonso the title for not telling him to give the place back as well as the dubious tactical move to cover Webber in Abu Dhabi.
 
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Didn't Seb win most of the closing races which not only put him in contention but also allowed him to capitalise on that final race?

I can bring other drivers into the same losing it and the end of season bracket but when it really matters Seb is the best.
No he didn't. Alonso won 4 of the last nine races, Vettel won 3. They both won 5 during the season.
 
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