Doping in sport

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
Doping is endemic in Olympic sports, the Russians seemed to have carried on from the old Soviet days in thinking they can dope with impunity they are just the unfortunate scapegoats for all those who haven't yet been caught. I don't believe the UK Government would be directly involved with doping, I do believe there are institutions in the UK who are. I think this is probably true of all nations, they have subcontracted their doping to Universities and sports "scientists".

I also doubt there are very few truly clean sports out there. Snooker has had its problems, darts too. Anyone ever seen any pictures of Mike Tyson when he left prison in 1995 and then what he looked like when he got back in the ring a few months later? If that wasn't through drugs then my mother is a ferret!
 

olegg

Race Winner
Who is Rodchenkov?
1998 - he was working in Canada in the anti-doping laboratory.
2005 - he returned to Russia and was assigned to rule russian anti-doping center after WADA's request
2011 - Rodchenkov sister was judged for drugs trade but he avoided punishment
2015 - Rodchenkov was accused of deliberate destruction doping samples in September 2015 by WADA
2015 - Rodchenkov was retired from russian anti-doping center and escaped from Russia to USA
2016 - Rodchenkov get job in the USA and was declared "a reliable witness"

And this man is considered an authority for McLaren and you...
Cocktails with alcohol and steroids, holes in the wall and the KGB officers ....
What nonsense from a reliable source WADA.
Such paranoia did not dreamed even James Bond.
 
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FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
olegg - The point of posting this was for people to make up their own minds about the number of different athletes from different countries who have been caught rather than to point the finger at any one nation. The therapeutic use exemptions which have allowed many athletes from around the world to succeed when they shouldn't should be treated with the same level of contempt as those who dope without a TUE.

All countries have a problem with doping. Russia, at the the moment, is being used as an example by the anti-drugs movement. I only hope that the authorities put the same effort in to stopping this sort of thing happening elsewhere rather than just using Russia as a scapegoat and pretending that nowhere else has a problem.
 

olegg

Race Winner

"All countries have a problem with doping"
Yes, it is true.
But, double standards is true too.
Fantasies of McLaren have nothing to do with trying to clean sport from drugs.
This is just another side of the global trend of pressure on the Russia
 

olegg

Race Winner
Denying there is a problem in Russia and blaming it all on western propaganda isn't going to help though.
"Denying"....
Did you know that in Russia adopted a law criminalizing the use of doping by athletes?
And what about the same actions in the Britain for example?

"western propaganda" helps .... with the delivery of hysteria around Russia and its athletes.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
There are laws to prevent people from doing many things, it doesn't stop them doing it.

UK sports have a whole multitude of systems and controls in an attempt to stop doping, we have all sorts of reviews and committees in government who question and scrutinise those in control of UK sport. What UK government tries to do is to support international efforts and organisations who are working to try and get rid of these problems. There is a huge amount of accountability in UK sport but none of the organisations which run any sports in the UK is government controlled.
 

gethinceri

Lance Stroll Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan.
Contributor
I am yet to be convinced that Russia hes any of the systems, controls, reviews or committees that sit in an independent capacity on doping, let alone any credible transparency relating to the corresponding international agencies.
 

olegg

Race Winner
"to the corresponding international agencies"

Yes....
corresponding international agencies which repeatedly discredited its activities how independent organisations.
Do not cease to surprise trust of members "western civilisation" in the infallibility of their systems which they are imposing on the a backward nations.
 

gethinceri

Lance Stroll Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan.
Contributor
I will not suggest that there are no dopers in cycling, but in reference to your post FB I can argue both conclusions based on the lack of evidence, it can both "prove" and "disprove " doping.
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
In this case it's certainly "not proven" but it does raise questions. I sincerely hope Wiggins, Froome or any of the Sky and Team GB cycling team haven't been doping. There does still appear to be a bit of a hangover from the Armstrong era in the sport. That said, there is still a major problem in many of the explosive effort sports.
 

F1Brits_90

Champion Elect
I understand the move on bit. So ive moved the doping debate over here. I wasnt backtracking gethinceri i was just saying like i have since start. Unfortunately there are certain sports clubs & now nations that if news breaks of a failed drugs test you are guilty by associations. You don't get that benefit of doubt as much

Just a question am i still racist & xenophobic. If allegations have now been proved true now that both his A & B sample have returned positive

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