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[tonyw151]

Couldn't that be that as the teams learned more about the tyres and the degredation they learned to manage it better and so it seemed as though they were more durable. All I know is I don't remember Pirelli changing the compounds except for Brazil.

I'm sure at somepoint earlier in the season the swapped atleast one compound for a development one. Sorry I can't be more accurate.

 

[Slyboogy]

The medium compound became the 'hard' compound, and the hardest compound got dropped.

 

[Josephiah]

And despite that, the tyres still became "more conservative"? Interesting...

 

[Galahad]

On the Marlboro question, I think it's the case that Ferrari sub-contracts Philip Morris (Marlboro) to do all their sponsor hunting - so Marlboro pay Ferrari a fixed amount for the whole car, and then reclaim their costs by finding the other sponsors whose names do appear. Since advertising space on a Ferrari is still, presumably, both desirable and lucrative, Marlboro probably get their increasingly limited exposure at a decreasing or even negligible cost to themselves. I think!

As for the tyres, there was definitely a shift in the medium/hard compounds around Spanish GP time. A search on Autosport will probably retrieve it. Pirelli certainly believe the teams got better at preserving the tyres over the season (running with more downforce in some cases), while some of their allocation selections for the later races were rather conservative, for whatever reason.

 

[f1fansp]

I thought I ought do some searching since I asked the question.
As advised, there are a few snippets on Autosport.
I don't have access to the older archive, but a few headlines

In summary, all I found news of was 1. new soft compound at Brazil (having been tested Abu Dhabu Young Drivers, Germany), 2. new hard compound at Spain (having been tested at Turkey)

25.11.2011 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96478
Paul, it's interesting that Jenson Button said yesterday that he felt that at the beginning of the season your [Pirelli's] policy has been somewhat more extreme perhaps with the tyres dropping off quite dramatically whereas perhaps more conservative later on in the season. I think you have already said that you will be less conservative next year, but can you talk about your policy for next year.
Paul HEMBERY: Well, first of all we didn't change anything, so I think there are a lot of other factors involved why maybe there is not that big drop that we have got now. The only thing that we did change was the hard compound after the Turkish race. Next year we are going towards softer compounds. We have too big a gap between some of our choices this year in terms of peak performance so we are trying to get that down below a second to try and encourage the strategy. Experience and hindsight are wonderful things and we can make maybe some more aggressive choices in some circuits.

21.11.2011 http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96376
"Pirelli will give a new compound soft tyre its racing debut in Brazil after a successful trial in Nurburgring free practice and last week's young driver test in Abu Dhabi."

07.08.2011 http://www.autosport.com/subs/login...m/news/report.php/id/93680&type=news&id=93680
"Ferrari's chances in this year's championship look set to be boosted, with Pirelli having revealed that it is unlikely to use the hard tyre in the remaining races of the season.
The Maranello squad has been known this season for preferring softer tyres that adapt better to its car."

18.07.2011 http://www.autosport.com/subs/login...m/news/report.php/id/93174&type=news&id=93174
Pirelli wil try out a new version of its soft tyre in Friday practice at the German Grand Prix.
The tyre firm's motorsport boss Paul Hembery said the revised compound was part of efforts to make the Pirelli range slightly more durable to ensure the number of pitstops in races did not become excessive.

17.05.2011 http://www.autosport.com/subs/login...m/news/report.php/id/91465&type=news&id=91465
Pirelli has confirmed it will introduce a new harder tyre for the Spanish Grand Prix, having tested the compound in the previous event in Turkey.
The compound, trialled during practice in Istanbul, is more durable and so will increase the gap between the prime and the option tyres, offering the teams a wider variety of strategies for the races.

06.05.2011 http://www.autosport.com/subs/login...m/news/report.php/id/91173&type=news&id=91173
Pirelli expects to allocate the new more durable tyre compound that was trialled today as its regular hard compound tyre from the Spanish Grand Prix onwards.
The hard tyre has not proved to be as durable compared to the soft as was hoped, particularly on more abrasive tracks such as Sepang. But Pirelli motorsport director Paul Hembery is confident that the trial compound is an improvement.

 

[Jos the Boss]

Can someone name all the races the phrases were said in just before the start of this song, E.g they've contacted would be Spa http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/15911657.stm

 

[FB]

I may have just been too blind to see this but how long has there been a Bernie Ecclestone Kurve at Hockenheim? I've never heard a commentator say something along the lines of "and Trulli has passed Buemi into Ecclestone". It does offer up some humourous possibilities...

 

[sportsman]

Cannot play media. Sorry, this media is not available in your territory.

This is what happens to non uk viewers

 

[Road of Bones]

You didn't miss much Sportsman...

 

[sportsman]

I know RoB I can get round it quite easily via proxy.But this illustrates why any F1 related videos including F1 live streaming via the BBC does not work outside the UK.Even 5live commenatry does not work except via proxies.

 

[Josh]

There are a few youtube channels who upload most of the BBC's features, including the forums (but not all):

http://www.youtube.com/user/FiveeNil

http://www.youtube.com/user/FiveeBuckss

There are more but these are the two which I mainly use. They try to avoid using any footage from the race though as that will get them blocked.

The BBC doesn't care apparently, Lee McKenzie (or Sarah Holt, I don't remember) linked to a video of the forum which was posted on one of those accounts.

 

[no-FIAt-please]

Why can't Youtube channels upload full races, but make it clear in the video descrption that they are only uploading under fair right or whatever it's called, although I do believe it's only partnered channels who can upload long videos. Still why don't channels upload races in parts?

 

[Enja]

Well first off if someone is saying they are using it under "fair rights" or "fair use" they are mistaken. You sometimes see people post a paragraph of text which they claim to have taken from a legally binding document, but if I remember correctly, the misplacement of one simple comma leads people to believe it is "fair" - which is incorrect. It says something along the lines of "for educational and fair usage" whereas people on YouTube claim it's "for educational, and fair usage". Two different things entirely.

The reason people upload in parts is probably down to a couple of reasons - one there's probably a limit on YouTube to how big your file sizes can be if you're a standard member and two, that should something be taken down it's easier to put back up in chunks.

 

[sportsman]

There are a few youtube channels who upload most of the BBC's features, including the forums (but not all):

http://www.youtube.com/user/FiveeNil

http://www.youtube.com/user/FiveeBuckss

There are more but these are the two which I mainly use. They try to avoid using any footage from the race though as that will get them blocked.

The BBC doesn't care apparently, Lee McKenzie (or Sarah Holt, I don't remember) linked to a video of the forum which was posted on one of those accounts.

Thanks Josh.I have no problems watching F1 as I can get it on five different channels on my cable service.None in English though.
I usually watch on RTL which is pretty good.But next year is a bonus for me as I already get Sky Sports on my cable supplier.

 

[Galahad]

I may have just been too blind to see this but how long has there been a Bernie Ecclestone Kurve at Hockenheim? I've never heard a commentator say something along the lines of "and Trulli has passed Buemi into Ecclestone". It does offer up some humourous possibilities...

There's a Bernie Ecclestone Kurve at Hockenheim??? Argh. With all the great German drivers...frankly all the great drivers of any nationality...

Presumably there's only one option in terms of a racing line - Bernie's Way.

 

[teabagyokel]

I may have just been too blind to see this but how long has there been a Bernie Ecclestone Kurve at Hockenheim? I've never heard a commentator say something along the lines of "and Trulli has passed Buemi into Ecclestone". It does offer up some humourous possibilities...

Presumably its one of the ones Tilke butchered. I can think of a BE corner though...

 

[tooncheese]

Einfahrt Paraboilka was a rubbish name anyway

 

[no-FIAt-please]

What happens to all the team's (Minardi, Jordan etc.) cars who've pulled out of the sport? And what about the chassis that never make it into F1, such as USF1?

Also I know Toyota revealed their 2010 car, but why do they use their 2009 car for Pirelli testing when the 2010 is more likely to offer relevant information?

 

[Fenderman]

There's a very large collectors market and also a number of historic racing series that buy up anything they can get their hands on. Not forgetting motor museums, of course. I suspect that most chassis that haven't been pranged survive in some place or other, and even from those cars that have been, anything salvageable from the running gear, engines etc, will no doubt be scavenged for spares. As for the "never rans" if they're not destroyed they probably gather dust as the owners wait in the hope that one day they might be worth something.

 

[Josh]

Also I know Toyota revealed their 2010 car, but why do they use their 2009 car for Pirelli testing when the 2010 is more likely to offer relevant information?

I think you're only allowed to use a car for testing when it's 2 years old, so presumably they can use the 2010 car in 2012.