Pre-Season 2013 F1 Winter Testing: 2 - Circuit de Catalunya, 19-22 February

[teabagyokel]

jez101 - But can the tyres last turn 1 on the same car?

 

[Mephistopheles]

Is this what they call sandbagging, misdirection or is it the truth?

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/105661

 

[cider_and_toast]

This Year                                                                                            



 1.  Fernando Alonso        Ferrari           1m21.875s           97

 2.  Nico Hulkenberg        Sauber           1m22.160s  +0.285   91

 3.  Romain Grosjean        Lotus             1m22.188s  +0.313   119

 4.  Nico Rosberg            Mercedes        1m22.611s  +0.736   108

 5.  Pastor Maldonado        Williams        1m22.675s  +0.800   79

 6.  Valtteri Bottas         Williams        1m22.826s  +0.951   68

 7.  Jenson Button           McLaren         1m22.840s  +0.965   71

 8.  Adrian Sutil            Force India     1m22.877s  +1.002   78

 9.  Mark Webber             Red Bull        1m23.024s  +1.149   108

10.  Jean-Eric Vergne        Toro Rosso      1m23.366s  +1.491   106

11.  Max Chilton             Marussia        1m25.690s  +3.815   58

12.  Giedo van der Garde     Caterham        1m26.177s  +4.302   83

Last Year

1 Pastor Maldonado (Ven) Williams-Renault 1:22.391

2 Michael Schumacher (Ger) Mercedes 1:23.384

3 Kamui Kobayashi (Jpn) Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.582

4 Jenson Button (GB) McLaren-Mercedes 1:23.918

5 Jean-Eric Vergne (Fra) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:24.433

6 Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 1:24.771

7 Felipe Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1:24.771

8 Paul di Resta (GB) Force India-Mercedes 1:25.646

9 Timo Glock (GER) Marussia-Cosworth 1:26.173

10 Vitaly Petrov (Rus) Caterham-Renault 1:26.448

All times are taken from Barcelona Day 3 tests.

 

[Brogan]

I'd call that typical Button Mephistopheles.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I think he just isn't giving anything away the car seems quick enough to me but you could be right..

 

[snowy]

Grosjean's times this afternoon are really interesting. He did a 29 lap run and was fastest on the 28th lap of that stint. No idea what tyres, but it seems like they can manage the deg on at least one of the compounds.

I don't think Grosjean actually did that, I suspect he came into the pits on lap 21 of that stint and changed the tyres:

90 1:31.536 

91 1:29.147 -2.389

92 1:28.594 -0.553

93 1:28.262 -0.332

94 1:28.423 +0.161

95 1:28.622 +0.199

97 1:29.118 +0.496

98 1:29.188 +0.07

99 1:29.397 +0.209

100 1:29.324 -0.073

101 1:29.265 -0.059

102 1:29.127 -0.138

103 1:29.248 +0.121

104 1:28.880 -0.368

105 1:29.461 +0.581

106 1:28.957 -0.504

107 1:29.238 +0.281

108 1:29.403 +0.165

109 1:29.601 +0.198

110 1:29.836 +0.235

[b]111 1:30.361 +0.525

112 ---- 

113 1:30.361 

114 1:28.093 -2.268[/b]

115 1:28.343 +0.25

117 1:28.473 +0.13

118 1:27.465 -1.008

119 ----

 

[RickD]

Is this what they call sandbagging, misdirection or is it the truth?

Looking at their longer run lap times, he could have a point, unles they really are sandbagging.. Maybe it really is just a small issue they need to get sorted to figure out what is going on.

Lets hope they do get it sorted..

 

[jez101]

If he had snowy wouldn't there have been an inlap / outlap recorded (ie two untimed laps at least)?

 

[snowy]

If he had snowy wouldn't there have been an inlap / outlap recorded (ie two untimed laps at least)?

There are often glitches with the timing and looking at lap 112 there is no time recorded and lap 113 is lap 111's repeated. This is the usual way that http://www.msfree.gr/f1 records an inlap and outlap. Because of the fall off in lap time prior to the two blank laps and the upturn after the two blank laps I am in no doubt that there was a pitstop and a change of tyres.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I don't know if they are glitches but even in testing I believe times are discounted if a driver cuts a corner so as not to cause an anomaly....

 

[snowy]

 

[no-FIAt-please]

A Lotus engineer, tut tut!

 

[jez101]

Certainly makes more sense.

 

[racecub]

Lewis/Merc looking good in the wet. I know I know! Testing and all that. Still nice though!

 

[snowy]

Lewis breaks a habit of a lifetime and posts consecutively quick laps!
He only ever does that in races.

23 ----

24 1:25.779

25 1:23.282 -2.497

26 1:23.526 +0.244

27 1:26.269 +2.743

28 1:27.017 +0.748

29 1:27.192 +0.175

30 1:26.853 -0.339

31 1:27.103 +0.25

32 1:26.870 -0.233

33 1:26.865 -0.005

34 1:26.874 +0.009

35 1:26.556 -0.318

36 1:26.616 +0.06

37 1:27.378 +0.762

38 1:27.053 -0.325

39 1:27.173 +0.12

40 1:27.710 +0.537

41 ---- 

 

[F1ang-o]

http://www1.skysports.com/formula-1/news/12433/8515343/Barcelona-Day-Four-Live-
I've only just seen this....has comments on today's testing...but it's raining quite hard at the moment & no one is out...

 

[tooncheese]

F1ang-o, hailing as well according to BBC.

 

[F1ang-o]

tooncheese
Hope they've got their thermals....Hailing

 

[snowy]

Friday 22/02/2013
Mark Webber
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33 	1:38.914 	-0.933

34 	---- 	

35 	1:38.914 	

36 	---- 	

37 	1:38.914 	

38 	---- 	

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41 	1:38.914 	

42 	---- 	

43 	1:43.118 	

44 	1:40.325 	-2.793

45 	1:40.395 	+0.07

46 	---- 	

47 	1:40.395 	

48 	1:42.431 	+2.036

49 	1:42.190 	-0.241

50 	---- 	

51 	1:42.190 	

52 	---- 	

53 	1:42.190 	

54 	---- 	

55 	1:42.190 	

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59 	1:42.190 	

60 	---- 	

61 	1:42.190 	

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63 	1:42.190 	

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Felipe Massa
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12 	1:36.825 	+0.257

13 	---- 	

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15 	1:35.832 	+7.909

16 	---- 	

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34 	---- 	

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38 	1:27.666 	-0.782

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41 	1:30.214 	+2.449

42 	---- 	

43 	1:30.214 	

44 	---- 	

45 	1:30.214 	

46 	---- 	

47 	1:30.214 	

48 	---- 	

49 	1:30.214 	

50 	1:44.519 	+14.305

51 	1:44.485 	-0.034

53 	---- 	

54 	7:05.279 	

55 	1:42.575 	-22.704

56 	1:43.075 	+0.5

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62 	1:41.337 	-11.429

63 	---- 	

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67 	1:40.739 	-0.199

68 	1:41.080 	+0.341

70 	---- 	

71 	8:36.689 	

72 	1:42.364 	+5.675

73 	1:41.570 	-0.794

74 	---- 	

75 	1:41.570 	

76 	---- 	

77 	1:41.570 	

79 	1:43.438 	+1.868

80 	---- 	

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Jenson Button
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9 	---- 	

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16 	1:43.657 	-4.226

17 	---- 	

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22 	1:25.435 	-7.281

23 	---- 	

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25 	1:23.633 	-1.802

26 	---- 	

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28 	1:27.833 	+4.2

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30 	1:26.790 	+0.492

31 	---- 	

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33 	1:45.033 	+18.243

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35 	1:44.708 	-0.366

36 	1:44.499 	-0.209

37 	1:44.166 	-0.333

38 	---- 	

39 	1:44.166 	

40 	1:44.096 	-0.07

41 	1:43.136 	-0.96

42 	1:43.100 	-0.036

43 	1:51.449 	+8.349

44 	1:43.301 	-8.148

45 	---- 	

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47 	1:41.025 	-2.276

48 	1:44.549 	+3.524

49 	1:40.839 	-3.71

50 	1:47.583 	+6.744

51 	---- 	

52 	1:47.583 	

53 	1:41.746 	-5.837

54 	1:42.205 	+0.459

55 	1:42.149 	-0.056

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64 	2:23.906 	-2.62

65 	---- 	

66 	2:23.906 	

67 	---- 	

68 	2:23.906 	

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Romain Grosjean
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3 	1:41.071 	

4 	1:40.870 	-0.201

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6 	1:40.068 	-0.145

7 	---- 	

8 	1:40.068 	

9 	---- 	

10 	1:40.068 	

11 	---- 	

12 	1:45.653 	

13 	1:37.552 	-8.101

14 	1:34.800 	-2.752

15 	1:57.846 	+23.046

16 	---- 	

17 	1:57.846 	

18 	1:47.471 	-10.375

19 	---- 	

20 	1:47.471 	

21 	1:49.487 	+2.016

22 	---- 	

23 	1:49.487 	

24 	1:45.553 	-3.934

25 	---- 	

26 	1:45.553 	

27 	1:45.512 	-0.041

28 	---- 	

29 	1:45.512 	

30 	1:43.517 	-1.995

31 	1:42.335 	-1.182

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35 	1:48.739 	+5.512

36 	1:42.705 	-6.034

37 	---- 	

38 	1:42.705 	

39 	1:42.762 	+0.057

40 	1:41.702 	-1.06

41 	---- 	



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Lewis Hamilton
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2 	1:53.821 	

3 	1:45.747 	-8.074

4 	1:45.135 	-0.612

5 	1:43.074 	-2.061

6 	---- 	

7 	1:43.074 	

8 	1:38.205 	-4.869

9 	---- 	

10 	1:38.205 	

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13 	1:37.516 	-0.689

14 	1:34.201 	-3.315

15 	1:31.920 	-2.281

16 	1:39.889 	+7.969

17 	---- 	

18 	1:39.889 	

19 	1:27.351 	-12.538

20 	1:25.929 	-1.422

21 	1:29.130 	+3.201

22 	1:25.779 	-3.351

23 	---- 	

24 	1:25.779 	

25 	1:23.282 	-2.497

26 	1:23.526 	+0.244

27 	1:26.269 	+2.743

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38 	1:27.053 	-0.325

39 	1:27.173 	+0.12

40 	1:27.710 	+0.537

41 	---- 	

42 	1:27.710 	

43 	---- 	

44 	1:27.710 	

45 	---- 	

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48 	1:42.793 	-0.275

49 	1:44.883 	+2.09

50 	1:40.666 	-4.217

51 	---- 	

52 	1:40.666 	



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Esteban Manuel Gutiérrez
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5 	2:00.386 	-108.327

6 	1:47.435 	-12.951

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11 	1:43.597 	-0.823

12 	1:42.670 	-0.927

13 	---- 	

14 	1:42.670 	

15 	1:40.023 	-2.647

16 	1:39.471 	-0.552

17 	---- 	

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22 	1:46.871 	-0.653

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31 	1:35.810 	+1.285

32 	1:34.286 	-1.524

33 	---- 	

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42 	1:40.754 	+14.079

43 	1:26.515 	-14.239

44 	1:26.239 	-0.276

45 	---- 	

46 	1:26.239 	

47 	---- 	

48 	1:42.252 	

49 	---- 	

50 	1:42.252 	

51 	---- 	

52 	1:42.252 	

53 	1:50.289 	+8.037

54 	---- 	

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67 	1:44.715 	-0.442

68 	1:45.273 	+0.558

69 	---- 	

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72 	1:51.037 	-0.935

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74 	1:49.191 	-0.931

75 	---- 	

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79 	1:45.237 	-0.616

80 	1:46.912 	+1.675

81 	1:47.665 	+0.753

82 	---- 	

83 	1:47.665 	

84 	1:46.630 	-1.035

85 	---- 	

86 	1:46.630 	

87 	1:46.439 	-0.191

88 	1:45.888 	-0.551

89 	---- 	

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91 	1:43.364 	-2.524

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95 	1:43.814 	+0.411

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Jules Bianchi
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3 	1:43.285 	

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5 	1:41.205 	-0.024

6 	1:47.432 	+6.227

7 	---- 	

8 	1:47.432 	

9 	---- 	

10 	1:37.769 	

11 	1:38.046 	+0.277

12 	---- 	

13 	1:38.046 	

14 	1:28.021 	-10.025

15 	1:25.732 	-2.289

16 	1:32.161 	+6.429

17 	---- 	

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21 	1:27.696 	-3.075

22 	1:27.822 	+0.126

23 	---- 	

24 	1:27.822 	

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26 	1:27.822 	

27 	1:46.456 	+18.634

28 	1:45.874 	-0.582

29 	---- 	

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31 	1:46.364 	+0.49

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34 	1:45.841 	-0.178

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36 	1:46.388 	+0.513

37 	---- 	

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39 	1:47.383 	+0.995

40 	---- 	

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47 	1:44.047 	-0.183

48 	---- 	

49 	1:44.047 	

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54 	---- 	

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J-E. Vergne
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16 	1:40.051 	+2.957

17 	1:42.087 	+2.036

18 	---- 	

19 	1:42.087 	

20 	1:44.289 	+2.202

21 	1:44.643 	+0.354

22 	1:42.173 	-2.47

23 	1:40.881 	-1.292

24 	---- 	

25 	1:40.881 	

26 	1:31.859 	-9.022

27 	1:35.564 	+3.705

28 	---- 	

29 	1:35.564 	

30 	1:24.071 	-11.493

31 	1:33.036 	+8.965

32 	---- 	

33 	1:33.036 	

34 	1:24.737 	-8.299

35 	1:25.912 	+1.175

36 	---- 	

37 	1:25.912 	

38 	---- 	

39 	1:47.644 	

40 	1:46.127 	-1.517

41 	1:44.843 	-1.284

42 	1:45.179 	+0.336

43 	1:44.641 	-0.538

44 	---- 	

45 	1:44.641 	

46 	1:46.903 	+2.262

47 	1:46.698 	-0.205

48 	1:45.854 	-0.844

49 	1:47.729 	+1.875

50 	---- 	

51 	1:47.729 	

52 	1:46.224 	-1.505

53 	1:45.671 	-0.553

54 	1:44.954 	-0.717

55 	1:45.466 	+0.512

56 	1:45.213 	-0.253

57 	1:43.861 	-1.352

58 	1:43.586 	-0.275

59 	---- 	

60 	1:43.586 	

61 	1:44.301 	+0.715

62 	1:44.876 	+0.575

63 	1:43.893 	-0.983

64 	1:43.445 	-0.448

65 	1:44.688 	+1.243

66 	1:43.548 	-1.14

67 	1:42.797 	-0.751

68 	1:43.161 	+0.364

69 	1:43.399 	+0.238

70 	---- 	

71 	1:43.399 	

72 	1:52.253 	+8.854

73 	---- 	

74 	1:52.253 	

75 	---- 	

76 	1:52.253 	

77 	---- 	

78 	1:52.253 	

79 	---- 	

80 	1:52.253 	



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G. van der Garde
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3 	1:48.917 	

4 	1:48.215 	-0.702

5 	---- 	

6 	1:48.215 	

7 	---- 	

8 	1:36.675 	

9 	---- 	

11 	1:30.443 	

13 	1:39.216 	+8.773

14 	1:32.645 	-6.571

15 	---- 	

17 	1:27.429 	

18 	1:27.615 	+0.186

19 	1:32.844 	+5.229

20 	---- 	

21 	22:46.99 	

22 	1:44.005 	-15.995

23 	---- 	

24 	1:44.005 	

25 	1:54.050 	+10.045

26 	1:50.213 	-3.837

27 	1:46.166 	-4.047

28 	---- 	

29 	1:46.166 	

30 	1:47.700 	+1.534

31 	1:47.955 	+0.255

32 	1:47.670 	-0.285

33 	1:48.194 	+0.524

34 	---- 	

35 	1:48.194 	

36 	1:48.722 	+0.528

37 	1:48.991 	+0.269

38 	---- 	

39 	1:48.991 	

40 	1:46.904 	-2.087

41 	1:46.481 	-0.423

42 	1:46.933 	+0.452

43 	1:46.834 	-0.099

45 	1:48.467 	+1.633

46 	---- 	

48 	1:48.888 	

49 	---- 	

50 	1:48.888





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Max Chilton
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4 	1:44.342 	

5 	1:42.930 	-1.412

6 	1:44.409 	+1.479

7 	1:43.314 	-1.095

8 	1:42.178 	-1.136

9 	---- 	

10 	1:42.178 	

11 	1:38.684 	-3.494

12 	---- 	

13 	1:38.684 	

15 	1:30.680 	-8.004

16 	1:30.012 	-0.668

17 	1:29.902 	-0.11

18 	1:31.929 	+2.027

19 	1:31.934 	+0.005

20 	---- 	

21 	1:31.934 	

22 	---- 	

23 	1:53.555 	

24 	1:56.297 	+2.742

25 	1:51.157 	-5.14

26 	1:53.205 	+2.048

27 	1:50.588 	-2.617

28 	1:50.018 	-0.57

29 	1:49.210 	-0.808

30 	1:49.294 	+0.084

31 	1:48.472 	-0.822

32 	---- 	

33 	1:48.472 	

34 	1:52.817 	+4.345

35 	1:50.210 	-2.607

36 	1:51.593 	+1.383

37 	1:49.669 	-1.924

38 	1:49.788 	+0.119

39 	1:49.911 	+0.123

40 	1:49.532 	-0.379

41 	1:50.058 	+0.526

42 	1:49.109 	-0.949

43 	---- 	

44 	1:49.109 	

45 	1:53.179 	+4.07

46 	---- 	

47 	1:53.179 	

48 	1:52.584 	-0.595

49 	1:49.237 	-3.347

50 	1:49.243 	+0.006

51 	---- 	







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[Brogan]

A useful round up by Ted: http://www1.skysports.com/formula1/video/12870/8517223

An interesting comment re Luis Razia, who didn't run at all in the second test...