2011 Team mates comparison - #12 McLaren

Galahad

Not a Moderator
Valued Member
Saving the best 'til last, here's the all-British battle at McLaren:.

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For a full explanation of the chart, see the previous Force India thread.

Q3 times have been used for the qualifying comparisons in all cases except Monaco (where Hamilton's time was deleted for cutting the chicane) and Belgium (where Button failed to progress to Q3), where Q2 times have been used. The overall qualifying comparisons exclude the two wet races.

Here also are the actual qualifying and finishing positions:

AUSMALPRCTURESPMONCANGBRGERHUNBELITASGPJPNKORINDABUBRA
Hamilton (Q)2234395102222431524
Hamilton (R)281426R414R455271R
Button (Q)4426527573133323433
Button (R)6246331RR132214233

One of the closer intra-team battles of the year, then, but we knew that already. I think I'll leave the rest of the interpretation down to you...
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I wonder what the odds were Button being Hamilton over a season and I am waiting for the first conspiracy theory?

I seem to remember a lot of people rubbished Mark Hughes' claims that Button vs Hamilton will intensify after Bahrain last year

How about the next excuse why Button is not a top driver following on from

Won't win a race...
Won't be world champion...
Won't drive for a top team (thats Mclaren or Ferrari by definition)...
Won't beat Hamilton...
 

ExtremeNinja

Karting amateur
Contributor
I wonder what the odds were Button being Hamilton over a season and I am waiting for the first conspiracy theory?

I had a good bet down on Hamilton being Button over a season but every time I tuned in Button was still Button. I've been following this trend for sometime and in fact Button has always been Button. so if anyone wants to make the same bet, I'll double the best odds you can find.

I thought your post was baiting a little, so thought best just to make light of it. ;)
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
What the chart and the season tells us is:

Overall Hamilton out qualified Button.
Hamilton led more laps than Button.
Hamilton led Button for 5 complete races (6 but for 1 lap at Korea).
Button led Hamilton for 3 complete races.

Also...
Hamilton had 1 pole position, Button had 0.
Hamilton out qualified Button 13 times to 6.
Both drivers had 3 wins.
Button had 11 fastest laps, Hamilton had 8.
Both drivers had 3 overall fastest laps.
Button finished ahead of Hamilton 10 times, Hamilton ahead of Button 9 times.
Button had 17 points finishes, Hamilton had 16.
Button had 12 podiums to Hamilton's 6 (the deciding factor IMO).
Button finished 3 places and 43 points ahead of Hamilton in the WDC.

So that's the McLaren intra-team battle in statistics.

FACT!
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
  • Button was slower than Hamilton
  • Hamilton made more errors (tactical and driving) than Button
That is the shape of what happened at McLaren this year
 

Road of Bones

MTC Mole
Contributor
I think it shows that being able to think one's way through a race paid off better than having a bucket-full of "raw pace" - plus managing not to run into Felipe Massa at every apparent opportunity obviously helped keep Jenson ahead.

...I have another theory about the fluids of a certain parent, but I'll not go into them on this thread...:whistle:
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
  • Button was slower than Hamilton
  • Hamilton made more errors (tactical and driving) than Button
That is the shape of what happened at McLaren this year


Slower in quali and slower in the first part of the race before coming on strongly was what usually happened with Button
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I had a good bet down on Hamilton being Button over a season but every time I tuned in Button was still Button. I've been following this trend for sometime and in fact Button has always been Button. so if anyone wants to make the same bet, I'll double the best odds you can find.

I thought your post was baiting a little, so thought best just to make light of it. ;)

We're not on 606 anymore which is guaranteed to be the case if this post went up with the usual anti Lewis conspiracy at Mclaren for being slower than Button

:ok:

Murray Walker has done his latest Q & A on the BBC and he is adamant both drivers were given equal opportunities 2011
 

ExtremeNinja

Karting amateur
Contributor
We're not on 606 anymore which is guaranteed to be the case if this post went up with the usual anti Lewis conspiracy at Mclaren for being slower than Button

I don't understand this sentence or what relevance 606 has to your comment or even this forum. 606 is dead and buried. Let's leave it in the ground, shall we?

[EDIT] Sorry for going into keyboard warrior mode. I just got a little niggled.
 

The Pits

Harumph. Again.
Valued Member
To be honest, I am not sure what the numbers actually show. As a big JB fan, there are things that I would love to be able to say about his performance vs Lewis, but I cannot, as Lewis showed that he is never to be underestimated, and showed why through several races last season.

I think to be honest last season was a game of two halves for Jenson, with some poor results at the start, and a run of 8 podiums in 9 races to close out the season, including a dry weather win at Suzuka.

Lewis showed serious flashes of brilliance, notably in China and Germany, and I wont go into the down side, as this has been covered ad nauseum.

I am sure that many will interpret the stats in any one of a billion ways, to back up their own opinions, me too, to be honest (in the privacy of my own home I hasten to add!) but, 2 seasons together, 1 season each, against expectations, and an enticing battle for the coming year!
 

downforce

Race Winner
I think if this shows anything its that tyres and race pace wern't really the issue for Hamilton this year

He was ahead of Button for more laps of the year than the other way around
race pace doesn't appear to be an issue
He comfortably beat Button in qualifying
He got the teams only pole position
He matched Buttons number of fastest laps and wins

This reinforces the issue was getting into too many accidents and recieving too many punishments from stewards

The latest theory is he has had depression, 2012 will be interesting
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
I think if this shows anything its that tyres and race pace wern't really the issue for Hamilton this year

He was ahead of Button for more laps of the year than the other way around
race pace doesn't appear to be an issue
He comfortably beat Button in qualifying
He got the teams only pole position
He matched Buttons number of fastest laps and wins

This reinforces the issue was getting into too many accidents and recieving too many punishments from stewards

The latest theory is he has had depression, 2012 will be interesting

Crucially he failed to see the chequered flag ahead of Button which matters most on top of his accidents and penalties from the stewards
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
There was only 1 race in it - 10:9 in Button's favour.
Even if it was 10:9 in Hamilton's favour, he would still have finished behind in the WDC.

The main difference was the number of podiums, as I stated earlier.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
There was only 1 race in it - 10:9 in Button's favour.
Even if it was 10:9 in Hamilton's favour, he would still have finished behind in the WDC.

The main difference was the number of podiums, as I stated earlier.


Hence not seeing the flag before Button which matters most ala Prost vs Senna.. we all know Senna would be faster than Prost and lead more laps but Prost would always manage to keep up with him and get ahead of somehow later in the race
 
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