Grand Prix 2011 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's a long summer and the key discussions aren't about the F1.

As we are in the middle of the summer break, the SKY/BBC deal continues to take precedence over any on track action we saw at Hungary, which is a shame as we saw a cracker of a race where Jenson Button eventually won his second race of the season ahead of Sebastian Vettel who extended his lead at the top of the championship yet again and surely it takes a miracle for anyone to overtake him now with less than half the races to go.

However with Belgium coming closer on the calender, it seems as if Red Bull has lost the dominance it held over the first half of the season with McLaren appearing to have the best all round package with 4 wins now this year with 2 for Button and 2 for Hamilton. Ferrari aren't far behind and are perhaps the best team in warm conditions but that remains to be seen after a series of damp and cold races. However it would still be a foolish person to bet against Red Bull going into the Belgian Grand Prix where the fast sweeping corners and technical hairpins will no doubt play to their advantage.

Spa Francorchamps is regarded (quite rightly) as the best driver circuit on the calendar with the famous circuit having many variations from its original form to the current version which was last changed in 2006 to incorporate the new pit area and final chicane, the final chicane wasn't popular as both fans and drivers miss the challenging bus stop chicane and the 'new' pit lane which can cause problems.

The grand prix has been famous for it's unpredictable weather with violent storms and half the track being dry and the other wet at the same time and completely random showers, the big example was 2008 where a late shower caught out the entire field and cost Kimi Raikkonen (and eventually Hamilton) the win. In 1998 torrential rain caused one of the worst starts in F1 history where half the field was wiped out on turn 1, eventually (after a restart) Damon Hill won for Jordan in a 1-2 with Ralf Schumacher second, Michael Schumacher famously nearly started a fight with David Coulthard after crashing into him trying to lap him.

Michael Schumacher has an impressive record at this track, winning his first race at the track in 1992 and taking several wins at the track with his last coming in 2002 where he took his seventh world championship. However at the moment it is unlikely that he will add to his list of wins with the Mercedes well off the pace of the leading trio of Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull.

Mercedes might find themselves behind Force India at the race as the track suits them down to a tee, in 2009 Fisichella took a surprise pole position and then took second place just finishing behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (who always seemed to win at Spa when he was driving there)
Sutil and Di Resta have shown impressive pace recently, with both achieving season bests at the last few races and are closing the gap to the flagging Renault team who have really lost performance since the start of the season with Heidfeld and Petrov dissapointing.

On a personal level I am really looking forward to this race as I have weekend tickets and will be at Pouhon all weekend to bring you the best coverage from the track, (better than these Sky lot anyway)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
I would be very disapointed if tyre change was allowed before the start. If the concerned teams are that worried they should pit early. I'm not sure why the stewards have allowed Pirelli to introduce new tyres under force majeur. The showers were expected and Pirelli should now have enough experience on wet weather conditions. Personally I think their involvement in F1 has been way too farcical.
 
I don't understand this, the teams used less dry tyres in qualifying yesterday than normal so why do they need more? I saw the reasoning behind them getting an extra set of inters before qualifying but I'm confused by this. I don't think any of the drivers even used dry tyres in Q2 or Q3?

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but from memory I thought the Q3 drivers used one set of options and no primes yesterday compared to what is usually two sets of primes and two sets of options for the top few drivers?

I don't see any of the drivers running out of dry tyres - they have six sets to use of which only one is perhaps in bad condition. If they were worried about this then they could have chosen not to run in Q3 and save tyres for the race like others have done in the past.

Have I got something wrong?
 
I don't understand this, the teams used less dry tyres in qualifying yesterday than normal so why do they need more? I saw the reasoning behind them getting an extra set of inters before qualifying but I'm confused by this. I don't think any of the drivers even used dry tyres in Q2 or Q3?

Maybe I'm forgetting something, but from memory I thought the Q3 drivers used one set of options and no primes yesterday compared to what is usually two sets of primes and two sets of options for the top few drivers?

I don't see any of the drivers running out of dry tyres - they have six sets to use of which only one is perhaps in bad condition. If they were worried about this then they could have chosen not to run in Q3 and save tyres for the race like others have done in the past.

Have I got something wrong?
I don't get it either.
 
Looks like Vettel is blistering his tyres. I'm still not sure whether he will be allowed a new set of front tyres to start on.

BBC Sport's Andrew Benson at Spa-Francorchamps: "Sebastian Vettel produced another stunning qualifying lap to take pole position ahead of McLaren's Lewis Hamilton and more than a second faster than Red Bull team-mate Mark Webber. But the German has a major problem in the race. His front tyres blistered in qualifying - when the rubber bubbles because it gets too hot, reducing grip - and he has to start on those tyres. That is likely to make him very vulnerable to those behind him."

Then this:-

Pirelli has supplied an extra 17 front soft tyres for use in today’s race.

The FIA released the following statement:

“The stewards have received a report from the FIA Formula One technical delegate, that the official tyre supplier will deliver 17 new front dry-weather tyres of the option specification for possible use at this Event.

“This became necessary due to changeable weather conditions at Spa during qualifying which was outside the control of the tyre supplier.

“In accordance with Article 25.3 b) of the 2011 FIA Formula One Sporting Regulations the stewards accept this is a case of force majeure.”
 
Adam Cooper also said this:- "One team is said in such extreme trouble with front blistering that they may have to contemplate a set-up change, which would mean dropping out of parc ferme and starting from the pitlane. Extreme cambers have contributed to the pace of certain cars through Sector 2."
 
A pit lane start would be wise for some, not least to avoid turn 1.
Can that also bring them out of parc ferme and make additional changes to set up?
If i was Mercedes I'd consider this for Schumacher.
 
Adam Cooper also said this:- "One team is said in such extreme trouble with front blistering that they may have to contemplate a set-up change, which would mean dropping out of parc ferme and starting from the pitlane. Extreme cambers have contributed to the pace of certain cars through Sector 2."

Must be Virgin. :D
 
Updated story on the tyres: http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/08/28/red-bull-mclaren-lose-tyre-fight-with-fia/
Earlier this morning Red Bull, McLaren and Toro Rosso had been told that they would be allowed to fit fresh front tyres in the light of blistering in Q3 yesterday, the teams having cited safety grounds.

However other teams were not happy with that decision and new evidence has emerged over the course of the morning. It seems that the FIA believes that the problem was generated by the extreme cambers run by those teams and that there is no inherent safety issue with the Pirellis.
It seems the team also asked if they could change cambers, but that can only be done if they drop out of parc ferme and start from the pit lane.

Christian Horner and Adrian Newey spent much of the morning in discussion with the FIA, while among those known to have registered their opposition are Force India and Williams.

The problem that the teams now face is that they are stuck with those camber settings nd every set of tyres will face the same fate…

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/94070
The issue is believed to particularly affect the Red Bull Racing drivers, with both Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber understood to have suffered blistering to both their front tyres.

However, Lewis Hamilton is also believed to have suffered blistering on one of his front tyres, as did Scuderia Toro Rosso's Jaime Alguersuari.

Tyre blistering is normally a result of excessive tyre temperature, and one of the contributing factors to it rearing its head at Spa is believed to be the camber settings that a number of teams have been using – which may have gone outside the recommended parameters laid down by Pirelli.
Given the state of the tyres after just a few laps, those cars could struggle to make it to the end of the race...
 
it will be tough for lewis to get past vettel being on the outside.it could also be difficult for lewis to keep webber behind him for that reason.
 
Well, hang on, they know they can't change camber settings after qualifying, what were they playing at? If the car isn't in a raceable condition, they need to take their medicine and start from the pitlane.

If it was HRT in this position we know what would happen...
 
Indeed.

I think the lack of dry running at speed is a contributing factor in them not being aware of how badly the tyres would be affected by the extreme camber settings though.

Plus these are new tyres this year so this is the first time they are getting data from this circuit.

Button could be in with a chance here, as could Alonso.
 
Presumably Button's car will be in pretty much the same state as Hamilton's apart from the fact he gets to start on new tyres. How about Massa? He's got a great opportunity if Red Bull and McLaren have set-up problems, and he should have enough of a buffer to Alonso to keep in front without team-orders etc. coming into play.
 
Interestingly Button just said "it's their problem, not ours".

So either he has a different setup to Hamilton, or he hasn't yet experienced the problem because he hasn't run slicks yet.
 
In a dry race I expect Alonso to be past Senna and Alguersuari very smartly. Rosberg might be more difficult due to the Merc's straight-line speed, but still I doubt it will be half-distance before the Ferraris are running together.
 
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