Grand Prix 2011 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's a long summer and the key discussions aren't about the F1.

As we are in the middle of the summer break, the SKY/BBC deal continues to take precedence over any on track action we saw at Hungary, which is a shame as we saw a cracker of a race where Jenson Button eventually won his second race of the season ahead of Sebastian Vettel who extended his lead at the top of the championship yet again and surely it takes a miracle for anyone to overtake him now with less than half the races to go.

However with Belgium coming closer on the calender, it seems as if Red Bull has lost the dominance it held over the first half of the season with McLaren appearing to have the best all round package with 4 wins now this year with 2 for Button and 2 for Hamilton. Ferrari aren't far behind and are perhaps the best team in warm conditions but that remains to be seen after a series of damp and cold races. However it would still be a foolish person to bet against Red Bull going into the Belgian Grand Prix where the fast sweeping corners and technical hairpins will no doubt play to their advantage.

Spa Francorchamps is regarded (quite rightly) as the best driver circuit on the calendar with the famous circuit having many variations from its original form to the current version which was last changed in 2006 to incorporate the new pit area and final chicane, the final chicane wasn't popular as both fans and drivers miss the challenging bus stop chicane and the 'new' pit lane which can cause problems.

The grand prix has been famous for it's unpredictable weather with violent storms and half the track being dry and the other wet at the same time and completely random showers, the big example was 2008 where a late shower caught out the entire field and cost Kimi Raikkonen (and eventually Hamilton) the win. In 1998 torrential rain caused one of the worst starts in F1 history where half the field was wiped out on turn 1, eventually (after a restart) Damon Hill won for Jordan in a 1-2 with Ralf Schumacher second, Michael Schumacher famously nearly started a fight with David Coulthard after crashing into him trying to lap him.

Michael Schumacher has an impressive record at this track, winning his first race at the track in 1992 and taking several wins at the track with his last coming in 2002 where he took his seventh world championship. However at the moment it is unlikely that he will add to his list of wins with the Mercedes well off the pace of the leading trio of Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull.

Mercedes might find themselves behind Force India at the race as the track suits them down to a tee, in 2009 Fisichella took a surprise pole position and then took second place just finishing behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (who always seemed to win at Spa when he was driving there)
Sutil and Di Resta have shown impressive pace recently, with both achieving season bests at the last few races and are closing the gap to the flagging Renault team who have really lost performance since the start of the season with Heidfeld and Petrov dissapointing.

On a personal level I am really looking forward to this race as I have weekend tickets and will be at Pouhon all weekend to bring you the best coverage from the track, (better than these Sky lot anyway)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
It's a shame Briatori isn't in the sport any more. If he was he would be asking his No.2 driver to 'accidently' cause a collision in the next Q2 with whoever is leading the championship. It would only cost 5 grid places.....cheap at half the price !
 
Well if he could tell from that angle the onboard footage of lewis just proved it was Maldonados fault and was intentional otherwise he wouldnt of touched the grass

Maybe he touched the grass because he collided with another car and then lost control of it?
 
But they were the only 2 cars there as rubens had sped away, and the only car he collided with was Hammys and that was intentional in my opinion

Right this might sum up the stewards decision:

When I first saw it on television -I thought that (from the back) it looked like it was totally Maldonado's fault.

Then when I saw the front angle, it looked more like Hamilton's fault - as he appears to be moving into Maldonado's line.

Looking at it on Hamilton's onboard and it looks more like Maldonado's fault...

I think probably the stewards got this one right - well Maldonado deserves a 10 place grid drop rather than a 5 - from the back it really looked like PM took a swipe at LH - but, keeping the front angle in mind, it looked more like a racing incident, with a bit of blame to be appropriated to both drivers (Maldonado - why cut so close to Hamilton's car? there was loads of space on the right) - (Hamilton - he was slowing down and had track space to the left - why the need to move to the right onto Maldonado's line at that reduced speed?)

Maldonado deserved a penalty. Hamilton deserved a "slap" for being in yet another avoidable situation.
 
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Right this might some up the stewards decision:

When I first saw it on television -I thought that (from the back) it looked like it was totally Maldonado's fault.

Then when I saw the front angle, it looked more like Hamilton's fault - as he appears to be moving into Maldonado's line.

Looking at it on Hamilton's onboard and it looks more like Maldonado's fault...

I think probably the stewards got this one right - well Maldonado deserves a 10 place grid drop rather than a 5 - from the back it really looked like PM took a swipe at LH - but, keeping the front angle in mind, it looked more like a racing incident, with a bit of blame to be appropriated to both drivers (Maldonado - why cut so close to Hamilton's car? there was loads of space on the right) - (Hamilton - he was slowing down and had track space to the left - why the need to move to the right onto Maldonado's line at that reduced speed?)

Maldonado deserved a penalty. Hamilton deserved a "slap" for being in yet another avoidable situation.

This would be so much easier with Maldonados onboard foortage and if he had a shorter name!
 
Guys, let's not go over who was at fault. Clearly the stewards thought Maldonado committed the more serious offence hence the grid drop and I would imagine Hamilton got a reprimand for the last corner incident. I checked the FIA's website for the steward report to no avail. The real question is whether a 5 place grid drop is adequate punishment. He is either guilty or he is not. Maldonado said on the FIA website that Hamilton was going slowly and he tried to overtake but I'm sure the drivers have a certain time to return to the pits once the chequered flag comes down.
 
Very strange angle that Maldonado takes for a right handed corner.

This is the key for me when looking at who is to blame - there is absolutely no way that he should be moving across to the left once he is alongside Lewis - even more so when you're in qualifying and have already driven past the chequered flag!

I think Maldonado has got off very lightly.

It was an exciting qualifying session from the first minute with Schumacher's wheel coming off to the pole battle in the dying seconds. Unfortunately that Germany guy ended up at the front again... it would be better if you swapped Alonso/Button for Vettel..
 
Hmmm....The onboard footage of hamilton proves diddly squat.

in the process of writing the rest of comment about how Malanado driving straight round a kink (trying to use the full width of the track and being lapsidasicle i found a youtube video that seems to suggest that Hamilton turns into Maldonado.


Whatever i think that perhaps penatlies for either party is harsh and that a bit of stern finger wagging and a reminder about being aware about other drivers out on track.

Any calls for bans are just completly uncalled for and an over-reaction.

However I do note im not sure this happened on a hot laps or weather it was after the chequered flag dropped.
 
Maldonado is at fault for me. Hamilton does move slightly right but this could be for a number of reasons, he may have had wheel spin and had to correct and let's not forget the straight curves right. Whereas Maldonado is clearly peeved and decides to pressure Hamilton, perhaps he didn't mean to be so extreme but it shouldn't have happend in the first place. I wouldn't have given Hamilton a reprimand and would have given Maldonado a 10 place penalty instead of 5. One has to wonder why there is no FOM footage of an on-board shot of Maldonado's car...

Also having reviewed the on-board view of Hamilton's car he is sleering ever so slightly right just before contact is made but not enough to say that he turned right and he seems to be actually staying parallel to the edge of the track.
 
it looked more like a racing incident.

And here is the problem. Why was there a racing incident on an in lap? It makes no sense. The stewards (imo) got it wrong here. One driver was not more to blame than the other, one driver was to blame. And that driver, for me, didn't merely cause a collision, there was more to it - but he got a penalty of a non malicious accident.
 
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