Grand Prix 2011 Belgian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's a long summer and the key discussions aren't about the F1.

As we are in the middle of the summer break, the SKY/BBC deal continues to take precedence over any on track action we saw at Hungary, which is a shame as we saw a cracker of a race where Jenson Button eventually won his second race of the season ahead of Sebastian Vettel who extended his lead at the top of the championship yet again and surely it takes a miracle for anyone to overtake him now with less than half the races to go.

However with Belgium coming closer on the calender, it seems as if Red Bull has lost the dominance it held over the first half of the season with McLaren appearing to have the best all round package with 4 wins now this year with 2 for Button and 2 for Hamilton. Ferrari aren't far behind and are perhaps the best team in warm conditions but that remains to be seen after a series of damp and cold races. However it would still be a foolish person to bet against Red Bull going into the Belgian Grand Prix where the fast sweeping corners and technical hairpins will no doubt play to their advantage.

Spa Francorchamps is regarded (quite rightly) as the best driver circuit on the calendar with the famous circuit having many variations from its original form to the current version which was last changed in 2006 to incorporate the new pit area and final chicane, the final chicane wasn't popular as both fans and drivers miss the challenging bus stop chicane and the 'new' pit lane which can cause problems.

The grand prix has been famous for it's unpredictable weather with violent storms and half the track being dry and the other wet at the same time and completely random showers, the big example was 2008 where a late shower caught out the entire field and cost Kimi Raikkonen (and eventually Hamilton) the win. In 1998 torrential rain caused one of the worst starts in F1 history where half the field was wiped out on turn 1, eventually (after a restart) Damon Hill won for Jordan in a 1-2 with Ralf Schumacher second, Michael Schumacher famously nearly started a fight with David Coulthard after crashing into him trying to lap him.

Michael Schumacher has an impressive record at this track, winning his first race at the track in 1992 and taking several wins at the track with his last coming in 2002 where he took his seventh world championship. However at the moment it is unlikely that he will add to his list of wins with the Mercedes well off the pace of the leading trio of Ferrari, Mclaren and Red Bull.

Mercedes might find themselves behind Force India at the race as the track suits them down to a tee, in 2009 Fisichella took a surprise pole position and then took second place just finishing behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (who always seemed to win at Spa when he was driving there)
Sutil and Di Resta have shown impressive pace recently, with both achieving season bests at the last few races and are closing the gap to the flagging Renault team who have really lost performance since the start of the season with Heidfeld and Petrov dissapointing.

On a personal level I am really looking forward to this race as I have weekend tickets and will be at Pouhon all weekend to bring you the best coverage from the track, (better than these Sky lot anyway)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-de-spa-francorchamps/
 
What are his sauces?

Silly billy, everyone knows it's La Source :rolleyes:

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Still mystified at Hamilton's penalty, he could have said he was aiming for a damp bit of track to cool his tyres, then spotted Maldonaldo, must be the Latin temperament but that has no place on the racetrack.

Ah well what would we have to talk about without Lewis eh? ;)
 
No doubt had the shoe been on the other foot people would've been calling for all sorts of punishment for Hamilton. 5place grid drop for Maldonado is pretty light even if the stewards found some way to apportion some of the blame to Hamilton. Also is Whiting struggling for ex driver input so much that Mansell has to make an appearance on the panel every other race? It's hard to see how he can be impartial as far as Hamilton is concerned. He surrendered his suitability for the role when he came up with his manufactured comments and I don't think he would've been impressed by Hamilton's response either. Probably thinks he needs to be brought down a peg or two

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/236097/hamilton-responds-to-mansell-manufactured-comments/
 
Surely theres more drivers who wouldn't mind a free trip to a race in exchange for views on a few events in the race? I would jump at the chance but I'm not an ex-driver sadly but they really need to step up their ideas or just get rid of the drivers representative as they dont really help anything
 
Surely theres more drivers who wouldn't mind a free trip to a race in exchange for views on a few events in the race? I would jump at the chance but I'm not an ex-driver sadly but they really need to step up their ideas or just get rid of the drivers representative as they dont really help anything

Isn't the driver steward one out of 4 of the stewards? The driver steward is there to give his racing experience opinion on what happened, the other 3 (or is it 2?) have to agree with him for a penalty to be given.

The drivers stewards to me has been a success, you are never going to get a 100% record on stewarding decisions, no matter who the steward is.

One thing though, they do tend to be lenient at times judging by the 2010 season.
 
Now, we are all sentient beings and motorsports fans. We are all capable of understanding that there is more than one steward at each F1 event, Mansell is this event's former driver, he's there to be able to put a racer's perspective to the other stewards who otherwise might penalise without understanding what was going on in the cockpit(s). Hamilton's reported comment that he was going to have a word with Mansell after the event might have resulted in Nige saying "sorry pal, i understand what you were doing but couldn't convince the other stewards". To try to pull apart the stewards' (please note the apostrophe, it indicates something specific) decision is both futile and subjective.
The decision is made, to put it at the feet of Nigel Mansell could be inferred as ignorant if not bull-headed.
 
Isn't the driver steward one out of 4 of the stewards? The driver steward is there to give his racing experience opinion on what happened, the other 3 (or is it 2?) have to agree with him for a penalty to be given.

The drivers stewards to me has been a success, you are never going to get a 100% record on stewarding decisions, no matter who the steward is.

One thing though, they do tend to be lenient at times judging by the 2010 season.

Well if they dont agree he can always use the line, Well I'm the ex driver I would know what they thought as I have been in that position before.
 
Well if they dont agree he can always use the line, Well I'm the ex driver I would know what they thought as I have been in that position before.

I think they know he's an ex-driver, so he doesn't need to point it out, if you have all the evidence and facts, being an ex-driver or not, you can come to different conclusions.

Same would be if all the stewards where ex-drivers.
 
The ex drivers on the panel carry a lot of sway and I would imagine some of the calls especially on the wheel to wheel incidents inevitably comes down to their judgement. This is what they are there for as regular rule violations can be dealt with confortably by Charlie and his minions. This opinion seems to tally in with post race comments from the drivers who have been on the panel. I don't think it's a 'one panel member one vote situation'.
 
I think they know he's an ex-driver, so he doesn't need to point it out, if you have all the evidence and facts, being an ex-driver or not, you can come to different conclusions.

Same would be if all the stewards where ex-drivers.

Well I think DC should be a steward for the next race and have Murray Walker replace him for that 1 race same for when Brundle goes
 
Well I think DC should be a steward for the next race and have Murray Walker replace him for that 1 race same for when Brundle goes

DC as steward!?!? might as well just give Red Bull 42 points and save the cost of running the race.

Would be nice to hear Murray again though
 
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