Grand Prix 2018 Mexico Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Discussion in 'Formula One Discussion' started by Angel, Oct 21, 2018.

  1. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    No it didn't.
     
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  3. You get used to speed, it's not a very big deal, the exciting bits are the g forces in corners, it's being close to the limit, it's being faster than the other guys, I've never known a driver who was happy with the power of the car that he or she was driving, they all want more, it's never enough. Also please conside that the perspective that you have from the cockpit of a car is one thing and what you see from the outside is another one, from the outside things that look fairly standard from the cockpit can look scary, and by the same token from the outside it can be difficult to notice thing that look rather intense from the cockpit
     
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  4. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    Thanks, nicely explained, and I think what personal comfort zone means. I've pushed my car on autobahn 200+ and rolled back almost immediately to my comfort zone, which is 140 or less. It is possible to push oneself, but I am sure there is a limit somewhere. Michael Schumacher in contrast goes twice as fast, while watching TV on sidelines. All good but guys aren't definitely psychopaths.
     
  5. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Apparently Mercedes ran with their vents in their wheels closed at Mexico, even though FIA had ruled them legal (and Ferrari is challenging it). I gather that was to be safe and secure the championship. It does explain their high tire wear and slower pace.

    Wonder what they will do for the last two races of the season. I gather they can win the Team Championship by just getting 5th and 6th at the next two races.
     
  6. sobriety

    sobriety Pole Sitter

    ahhh, that clears that up. It's a bit of a pain trying to get them banned as a moveable aerodynamic device (which seems to still be code for anything Ferrari don't like), since the whole bloody car is a moveable aerodynamic device....

    And these aren't for aero, they're for cooling/heat transfer optimisation which at least has some relevance to the real world....
     
  7. If I remember correctly the FIA didn't rule those wheels legal instead they talked of "limited illegality" which is a new legal definition because either something is legal or it's not
     
  8. Bill Boddy

    Bill Boddy Professional layabout Premium Contributor

    They probably borrowed the phrase from Ron Dennis.
     
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  9. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, that makes things perfectly clear. ;)

    Anyhow, I gather that Mercedes then is going to struggling with tire wear for the last two races of the season. Could we see Vettel take two wins at the end of the season?
     
  10. Andyoak

    Andyoak Race Winner

    No
     
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  11. Clay

    Clay Test Driver

    It was the moment Vettel grew on me and in a recent interview Webber said Vettel is the ultimate competitor. In the Interview Webber was questioned on the differences between Vettel and Rosberg and said that Rosberg lacked the same fire and desire and also confidence. Malaysia 2013 was also the race in which Rosberg remained behind Hamilton because he was also told to follow his teammate across the line.
    Rosberg didn’t have the same sense as Vettel of belonging at the top.

    It’s an interesting interview. He also claims Rosberg was mentally done after his first 8 months in F1. With that in mind I can’t believe he still went on to beat Hamilton. I sure he’s much happier at home spending time with his kids, reading books, and doing all the other stuff he’s more cut out to do. Listening to that interview makes you realise he probably really was in F1 only to win one championship and then walk away from it all.
     
  12. I think that these discussions about the holes in the Mercedes' wheels or Ferrari's double battery are red herrings, IMHO there is one area which should be closely monitored by the FIA, fuel, both fuel consumption as well as the chemical composition of the fuels used by the various engine manufacturers
     
  13. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Happy to be me again Contributor

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    Clay Mark Webber comes across more and more bitter as the years go on. Him talking down Rosberg (who achieved what he couldn't on a regular basis - I.E. at least finish second in the best car in the field) does not surprise me. Straight out of Alonso media school and heading towards Villeneuve status.
     
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  14. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    yes it was an interesting interview Clay if your talking about the beyond the grid series which is very good. but Rosberg wasnt necessarily mentally done because he wouldn't have lasted 10 years otherwise but yes I heard that he really struggled with expanded Media & PR side. which Is expected because even now the jump from F2 & F1 I see it in George Russell when he gave word for word the same answer to question about working with lewis Hamilton to BBC & SKY, until this year you only had to give 1 interview if you finished in top 3 of feature or sprint race

    webber can be great pundit but like RasputinLives says webber in 2011 & 2013 was in terrible form. vettel would be all conquering winning races by 40 seconds & webber would be fighting to be on podium. similar to bottas this season. Webber like Rosberg had 1 shot at winning the title Rosberg took full advantage, something webber couldn't do as he made a huge mistake in korea when he should've settled for 2nd instead of pushing in wet & fading light for the win

    problem I have with multi 21, they are racers & compeitiors but as they always say drivers are the final chain in 1000 person link. if you are told by your team boss to stay behind, their is a reason for that you cant know as your too busy driving & to not only disobey your team boss but think your more important with no sympathy was wrong
     
  15. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    See with the Multi 21 issue, there are some drivers who will always follow the rules and some who won't. I haven't looked it all up or anything but my general impression is that those who always do as they're told don't often end up becoming world champions and those who don't always do as they're told, are more likely to. I could be wrong but that is how I see it.

    Yes Vettel went against the team that time and it seemed like he felt he was justified in doing so for whatever reason. There have also been times when he's pulled over or whatever when the team have asked him to. I guess it depends on the situation and the driver's mood/feeling at the time. It's easy for us sat in our armchairs watching the race, it's a whole other thing being in those cars with the pressure on them to win and so on.

    It's true they are part of a team but they're only human, their own emotions do take over sometimes I suppose.
     
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  16. Ruslan

    Ruslan Rookie

    Well, I am not sure they are red herrings....as Mercedes was filling in the holes with silicon while Ferrari was warming up a formal complaint......but I have not heard about "fuel issues." They do use a standard monitoring device and do regularly test the fuel. Has there been something going on to bypass these?
     
  17. Angel

    Angel Points Scorer Supporter

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    I missed this before. :embarrassed:

    They're making this up as they go along now. Surely it's either legal and allowed or illegal and not, they can't just sit on the fence like that, can they? I suppose what they really mean is there hasn't been a firm ruling either way and they're not going to make one unless someone else complains.
     
  18. F1Brits_90

    F1Brits_90 Race Winner

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    True Angel we do it see that world champion. Normally question orders but how would eat know that mark webber could go faster but been told to turn down his engine.

    So to completely disregard. As he has no idea why they are asking & then to have no remorse. Something like i was faster whats your problem. In any team sport nobody is bigger than the team
     
  19. fuel issues have been debated for years, at the beginning it was the fact that apparently some teams (RBR?) were using more fuel per unit of time than was allowed, the latest rumour is that Mercedes uses some clever oil that helps them increase the octanes of their fuel. During the last race they disqualified 2 cars on fuel irregularities didn't they? Maybe they are trying to send a signal to the teams for next year.

    Regarding Mercedes if that device wasn't legal they should have stopped them using it a few months back, now it doesn't make any sense, the championship is over, it just looks very bad to open old issues when the championship is over
     
  20. I don't remember many people raising an eyebrow when Hamilton not only disregarded the instructions of the pit wall but he also repeatedly pushed Nico Rosberg off the track in Hungary in 2014, yet every time Vettel's name is mentioned multi 21 pops up, I wonder why such different reactions to very similar situations
     
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  21. Izumi

    Izumi Test Driver

    How many times Horner has to repeat his public admission, that it was Vettel's payback for similar infraction Webber has committed in earlier races prior this incident, yet only Vettel is a subject of ridicule in public arena.

    Media bear a lot of responsibility for one-sided narrative among fans. As Kimi recently commented: F1 WOULD BE MUCH BETTER WITHOUT MEDIA BULLSH!T. Right you are, brother. Some fans consequently simply spewing (deliberate?) and out of context propaganda.
     
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