Football The 2010 Football World Cup Thread
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Now I've been swimming against the tide on this for a while, but I don't rate Steven Gerrard. This season he's been pretty awful for Liverpool and he's flattered to decieve for England for years and years.
Frankly, there is a Big Ego problem going on with Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Cole, Terry etc. which is partially caused by their immunity from being dropped. I half expected it, and I've been moaning until I'm blue in the face about it, but even still I wasn't expecting it to be that bad!
I echo Muddy's points, except perhaps Heskey - kinda got a 5/10 in the job he was doing, but we need a goalscorer.
GOALSCORER + BIG MAN = CROUCH
Frankly, there is a Big Ego problem going on with Gerrard, Rooney, Lampard, Cole, Terry etc. which is partially caused by their immunity from being dropped. I half expected it, and I've been moaning until I'm blue in the face about it, but even still I wasn't expecting it to be that bad!
I echo Muddy's points, except perhaps Heskey - kinda got a 5/10 in the job he was doing, but we need a goalscorer.
GOALSCORER + BIG MAN = CROUCH
Brogan said:
Its good so long as England aren't involved, honest! I kind of see watching England as a duty I must endure to watch the actual good teams!
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No you're not alone TBY, I've been saying Gerrard is shit for years. For all the pundits' praise on him getting one 40 yard pass in the right place, they ignore the multiple times he loses possession or shins it out of play. Lampard is worse.
Ashley I'll keep, as he is the best LB we have, (though nothing on Sir Psycho himself, but then we haven't had a left back that good since him), and I'm sure there's something there with Lennon. He's more reliable than Walcott, if less spectacular. Terry is a carthorse, and you can't play another carthorse alongside.
Rooney? Club player great, but he's not at the races in SA. Time to be big and tell Uncle Fabio you're not fit. Defoe/Crouch (for all I've criticised Crouch in the past) are a known item, and score goals both apart and together.
Either start with those 2 up front, or it's time to throw it all away and start again.
Ashley I'll keep, as he is the best LB we have, (though nothing on Sir Psycho himself, but then we haven't had a left back that good since him), and I'm sure there's something there with Lennon. He's more reliable than Walcott, if less spectacular. Terry is a carthorse, and you can't play another carthorse alongside.
Rooney? Club player great, but he's not at the races in SA. Time to be big and tell Uncle Fabio you're not fit. Defoe/Crouch (for all I've criticised Crouch in the past) are a known item, and score goals both apart and together.
Either start with those 2 up front, or it's time to throw it all away and start again.
I still think Walcott should be in the squad rather than, say, some Man City reserve (SWP).
I'm criticising A. Cole slightly unfairly I think, I'm not up for replacing him.
Just not sure what J. Cole has done to avoid the pitch altogether, not sure why Dawson is not on instead ofFerdinand King Carragher Upson.
Crouch is not the most obviously good footballer, but he seems to get the goals at this level, and although there have been many vs the little teams, he's got some crucial ones - vs Croatia to bring us back in in 2007 (when ****ard messed up again) and against Macedonia for a 1-0 in Skopje earlier that year. Gotta be the choice now.
But the key to creating space is to make the pitch wide, and with Gerrard on the left (supposedly), that is not going to happen.
Yes!
I'm criticising A. Cole slightly unfairly I think, I'm not up for replacing him.
Just not sure what J. Cole has done to avoid the pitch altogether, not sure why Dawson is not on instead of
Crouch is not the most obviously good footballer, but he seems to get the goals at this level, and although there have been many vs the little teams, he's got some crucial ones - vs Croatia to bring us back in in 2007 (when ****ard messed up again) and against Macedonia for a 1-0 in Skopje earlier that year. Gotta be the choice now.
But the key to creating space is to make the pitch wide, and with Gerrard on the left (supposedly), that is not going to happen.
fat_jez said:
Yes!
fat_jez said:
I hate that stupid comic.
Anyway, the paps have apparently managed to sneak into England's training camp and have snapped this picture of the final team talk before tonight's game.
As for the match itself, It's been a long time since we've seen an England performance that gutless. Rooney was obviously not right and should have been taken off. We just looked out of sorts everywhere you looked on the pitch. Utter, Utter Rubbish.
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Matthew Little
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Source: FIFA may sit Slovenia-U.S. referee
Is it just me, or does it appear that Koman Coulibaly, the referee in the Slovenia-U.S. match, will likely not be officiating the rest of the World Cup(at least as ref; we might see him as a line judge..........
.......).
Then again, here's how I felt about the match as a whole.....................
Is it just me, or does it appear that Koman Coulibaly, the referee in the Slovenia-U.S. match, will likely not be officiating the rest of the World Cup(at least as ref; we might see him as a line judge..........
.......). Then again, here's how I felt about the match as a whole.....................
A truly awful England performance - maybe Rooney should be composing an apology, rather than moaning about the fans booing England off the pitch. After all, those fans have travelled thousands of miles and spent a lot of money, just to watch that tripe...
... and just in case anyone was worried that I'm missing out on the "world cup atmosphere", there was a complete blowing one of those Vuvuzelas* outside my flat last night/early hours this morning! 
* if it wasn't a vuvuzela, it well sounded like one!
... and just in case anyone was worried that I'm missing out on the "world cup atmosphere", there was a complete
blowing one of those Vuvuzelas* outside my flat last night/early hours this morning! * if it wasn't a vuvuzela, it
well sounded like one!
Matthew Little said:Is it just me, or does it appear that Koman Coulibaly, the referee in the Slovenia-U.S. match, will likely not be officiating the rest of the World Cup(at least as ref; we might see him as a line judge..........
Just to clarify a point in this Matthew Little, the linesmen are separate to referees nowadays and the jobs are not interchangable. FIFA works on a basis of refereeing 'teams' with one ref and two linesmen, who are the same nationality where possible (or at least from the same continent).
If Coulibaly is not selected to referee any further games, then he may be seen doing the strenuous job of fourth official, and if he is incapable of holding the board up he needs a new vocation!
Also on refereeing, the next World Cup is likely to feature two additional officials behind each goal to adjudicate on penalty area shenanigans. The scheme has already been in place in the Europa League, and has been adjudged a failure by anyone not in the Tours d'Ivoire of UEFA and FIFA in Switzerland. However, they're so desparate to avoid video replays, and possibly because it was Michel Platini's idea, they are detirmined to continue with the madness.
Anyway, the England-Algeria result has made it far simpler for the US, beat Algeria (and they're rubbish) and they're through.
Another blow today, just fetched my Holland shirt out of the drawer and not only has it got a mark on it but it no longer fits.
(I've got Dutch family so they've always been my back up team in the event of an England crisis)
May have to go out and buy another one now. Any way "Hup Holland!!!!!"
As for last night, this is a special message for Wayne "Biffa" Rooney just in case he ever reads CTA:
"Wayne, bad luck mate. You tried your best. You and your England colleagues were just unlucky. It doesn't matter, there will be another world cup in four years. Better luck next time"
IS that what you wanted to hear Wayne? You over paid sack of
(I've got Dutch family so they've always been my back up team in the event of an England crisis)
May have to go out and buy another one now. Any way "Hup Holland!!!!!"
As for last night, this is a special message for Wayne "Biffa" Rooney just in case he ever reads CTA:
"Wayne, bad luck mate. You tried your best. You and your England colleagues were just unlucky. It doesn't matter, there will be another world cup in four years. Better luck next time"
IS that what you wanted to hear Wayne? You over paid sack of
Fantastic game, it's just a shame that we won't be seeing Cameroon going any further. They played some great passing football and with a little more luck/composure in front of goal they'd have got at least a point last night.
Congrats to the bacon sniffers though, Charlton fans must be wondering which Dennis Rommedahl they actually signed because it certainly wasn't that one. I love the blast from the past players you always get at the World Cup. Jesper Gronkjaer anyone?
Congrats to the bacon sniffers though, Charlton fans must be wondering which Dennis Rommedahl they actually signed because it certainly wasn't that one. I love the blast from the past players you always get at the World Cup. Jesper Gronkjaer anyone?
Italy held by the mighty New Zealand! 
France gradually imploding, with their players boycotting training today.
Trouble in the France and England camp. Italy drawing. Germany losing to Serbia. All we need now is Brazil to lose to Ivory Coast...
France gradually imploding, with their players boycotting training today.
Trouble in the France and England camp. Italy drawing. Germany losing to Serbia. All we need now is Brazil to lose to Ivory Coast...
Iaquinta and Lippi have been at each others throats this week as well.
Great game today, the second half was the epitome of tension, colossal performance by Ryan Nelsen and the rest of the Kiwi team. Italy and England in very similar situations, although Italy may be able to get through with another draw, which would be portentous.
Great game today, the second half was the epitome of tension, colossal performance by Ryan Nelsen and the rest of the Kiwi team. Italy and England in very similar situations, although Italy may be able to get through with another draw, which would be portentous.
Typical FA.
It's Sven all over again.
When are the FA, English media and fans going to accept that England just aren't that good?
One World Cup win in the history of the tournament is a fairly good hint...
And while I'm at it I might as well have a little rant.
I remember now why I don't usually watch football.
Shirt pulling: there is absolutely no justification for it. The clue is in the name - football. Any player pulling a shirt should be sent off immediately, no ifs, no buts. I bet it would disappear from the game very quickly.
Non-fouls: players who get a glancing blow which wouldn't take the skin off a rice pudding, or even don't get hit at all, only to writhe around on the ground in simulated agony, more often than not clutching the wrong part of their body. As soon as they spot the referee has awarded them the free kick their acting has earned them, they're up like a shot running around, apparently miraculously healed.
Brogan said:
I get right royally brassed off when I read statements like this. Firstly, I know I can't speak for the whole of England when I say this but I'm pretty sure that 99% of all England fans are realistic about our prospects in the world cup. Most people I spoke to thought the game against the states would be tricky but no one could have predicted the woeful performance against the Algerians. I certainly don't personally know anyone who seriously believed that England could win it. I think most England fans look at the draw, do the maths and work out which of the worlds big four would knock us out in the Quarters.
The FA are bound to talk up England's prospects, they are after all a business, all be it a badly run one. For the governing body of English football to turn round and say, actually we aren't that good and don't stand a chance would seem frankly weird.
Finally the Media. God bless 'em. The source of all our woes. For fucking comics like the Sun, building players and teams up and then smashing them back down again is a national past time. I don't believe they reflect even 1 percent of the countries views. What's the bets that the same newspaper that wanted John Terry lynched and stripped of the captains arm band will be singing his praises in the wake of today's press conference. Please don't confuse the English press with the views of the rest of the country.
