Team Radio & Bringing the sport in disrepute
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Shouldn't there be a internet rule by now that if you're the first one to mention anything in regards to "tin-foil", "conspiracies", or any other fanciful worded phrase designed to scoff at the notion of suspicious dealings, then YOUR post is rendered irrelevant.
I mean these posts are only slightly above the level of
I mean these posts are only slightly above the level of
Z........gets the popcorn.
You got pwned!
etc.
(that'll teach me to be a smart-arse & get carried away with my own wit!)Point taken.
I seem to recall a certain Ayrton Senna with Nigel Mansell literally dangling off his gear box for 5 or so laps at the end of the 1992 Monaco Grand Prix. I would say that Nigel Mansell had his race absolutely, deliberately ruined and was held up by Senna. Do people think that was unfair?
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
As far as I can tell, the timeline goes something like this.
Hamilton overtakes Massa
Massa is called in for a pitstop - Smedley tells Massa that they're going to destroy Hamilton's race Presumably the intention was to try and pass Hamilton on the undercut.
Hamilton comes in on the same lap though - but Massa manages to get ahead.
On the first full lap out of the pits, Hamilton attempts to overtake Massa, but ends up misjudging his braking and clipping the back of the Ferrari.
Now, If there's anything untoward occurring, then the only thing that it could be is that Massa caused the accident between himself and Hamilton. However, this was clearly just a mis-judgement on braking, and blame could only be placed on Massa if he'd deliberately brake-tested Hamilton. There has never been any suggestion of this.
After the race, Massa was livid that Hamilton had ruined his race - giving more evidence that Massa wasn't to blame for the accident.
Hamilton overtakes Massa
Massa is called in for a pitstop - Smedley tells Massa that they're going to destroy Hamilton's race Presumably the intention was to try and pass Hamilton on the undercut.
Hamilton comes in on the same lap though - but Massa manages to get ahead.
On the first full lap out of the pits, Hamilton attempts to overtake Massa, but ends up misjudging his braking and clipping the back of the Ferrari.
Now, If there's anything untoward occurring, then the only thing that it could be is that Massa caused the accident between himself and Hamilton. However, this was clearly just a mis-judgement on braking, and blame could only be placed on Massa if he'd deliberately brake-tested Hamilton. There has never been any suggestion of this.
After the race, Massa was livid that Hamilton had ruined his race - giving more evidence that Massa wasn't to blame for the accident.
Josephiah
Podium Finisher
Thank you Artist, a good and plausible run-through of events. Obviously, the key points are still open to interpretation, but I think you probably have it as close as we're going to get. This is my opinion, and I don't mind if some of you disagree.
I was just trying to get at the fact that in the FOM video events are compressed in such a way that (intentionally or not), the radio message and the crash are directly linked as cause and effect. Stirring up controversy is an easy way to gain attention, so if it was intentional they've done a good job. Whether they should have or not is a different question.
Neither would I. I don't quite know how you deduced that from anything I have said either.
[EDIT] Assuming that you have me as one of your conspiracy theorists.
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
Extreme Ninja, your post here:
certainly suggest that you relate the collision to the message from Smedley. If this is not what you mean, then I apologise!
Nope. My point is that it is irrelevant when the message was conveyed. It is the nature of the message itself which perturbs me. It would be brave speculation to suggest foul play where there is only evidence of foul sportsmanship.
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
... Mind you'd think that he'd have been very careful after his FIFTY farce at Hockenheim last year!I know one thing "for sure".
Rob Smedley will be very careful in future what he says over the radio
Josh
Champion Elect
Thanks Sly!
Bullet190
Points Scorer
What VP was doing was racing as hard as he could to earn as many points as he could because he had something to prove last year. The fact that Alonso was stuck behind him is bad luck for Alonso. VP was not trying to hold up or ruin Alonso's race, he probably couldn't care who it was behind him, as long as he was in front and earning as many points as possible.
VP was trying to, as that is what every driver tries to do - ruin every other driver's race in order to win or finish as high as possible.
The difference is, all other drivers try their damnedest to do their best, and if it harms the race of those around them, that's an added bonus.
Massa seems to have been demoted to race spoiler for Hamilton, to the detriment of his own race.
That was inevitable though as soon as Alonso joined Ferrari.
Massa seems to have been demoted to race spoiler for Hamilton, to the detriment of his own race.
That was inevitable though as soon as Alonso joined Ferrari.
Are you playing Devil's Advocate? I do hope so!
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