Head To Head Nico Rosberg vs Lewis Hamilton

[Harry]

I think Hamilton deserves a bit of praise here. If he was telling the truth about thinking Rosberg should have made the podium, that is commendable humility. If he was lying, that is commendable diplomacy. I've talked about Vettel maybe losing a team-mate; I think Hamilton's post race reaction contributed to that situation being more unlikely at Mercedes.

difference between words and actions is that talk is cheap. If Hamilton really felt Nico deserved the podium and that he was embarassed to be up there, what he would done is told the team to let his faster teammate pass, or even wave him through himself.

 

[ExtremeNinja]

He radio'd through and asked to let Rosberg through and Brawn told him to hold position. "No, Lewis, this is what we want. Hold position". He would have been disobeying orders if he let him through, and we know the fallout that can create.

[Edit]This requires correction as Harry has pointed out. Here is the actual quote that was the basis of my assumption.

"I said to Ross at the end that I wanted to let him (Rosberg) past. He said 'Absolutely not. When I tell you what I want (you) to do, you have to stick by it',"

 

[Harry]

that wasn't in our coverage of the race.
haven't seen it mentioned in any news article either.
got a link or reference?

 

[Fenderman]

... and as for the podium and press conference LH followed the protocol. Nothing more, nothing less.

Anyway, it's old news now and done to the death in this thread. Time to move on, mehopes.

Edit: please read earlier posts. There are links aplenty.

Edit 2: Sorry - done to death in other threads

 

[Harry]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/106384
"Hamilton said after the race that he had queried with Brawn as to whether he had done the right thing in not letting Rosberg through to see what he could do."

wouldn't have need to ask if he'd been told exactly that during the race...

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Harry. Yep. Read this thread and the Mercedes thread and you will find it. Happy hunting.

 

[Harry]

Sorry, I just went back through the thread to before the race, and could not find any links referencing Hamilton asking the team to let Nico past. Closest I could find was this

"It was an equally difficult situation for me to stay ahead and not let him past, and it was difficult for him to stay behind. For me, I wanted to let him past, but we have standing orders.

which is nothing like what Hamilton asking the team to let Nico through and being told no.

Nor does my point seem to have been made before, but in any case, one should really be allowed to make a counter argument to another recent comment which blindly praises Hamilton whether he was sincere or not!!

but nevermind. I understand the support base Hamilton has here. I won't comment any further on what is clearly a touchy subject.

 

[ExtremeNinja]

Keep going, Harry. Have faith. You will find it.

 

[Harry]

Three times I've been through it now, and still see nothing to substantiate your claim Lewis asked to let Nico through during the race. You might have to help my dumb arse out and quote that post.

 

[Chad Stewarthill]

Harry try post #214

 

[ramilas1]

Quote from the link in #214 - Telegraph
Hamilton maintained that he had been content to yield to Rosberg’s surge, explaining: “I said to Ross at the end that I wanted to let him past. But he said: ‘Absolutely not. When I tell you what I want you to do you have to stick by it.’ So I’m glad I did, and that I didn’t get in trouble with Ross. Hats off to Nico, he was the driver of the day for me.”

I think too much can be assumed here, and Harry has at least a semi-valid point - depends on your interpretation of the abysmal use of the poor old blighted English Language.

I said to Ross at the end that I wanted to let him past?

1 - does this mean that near the end of the race he had a discussion with Ross: 'I want to let him past' ... 'NO, I'm telling you what to do'
"I said to Ross at the end (of the radio discussions) 'I want to let him past' but he still said no"
or
2 - does it mean that after the race he had the discussion: 'I had wanted to let him past' ... 'NO, when I tell you, you just do it'
"I said to Ross at the end (of the race) that I had wanted to let him past, but he explained who was boss"

Quote from link in #225 - Autosport
Hamilton said after the race that he had queried with Brawn as to whether he had done the right thing in not letting Rosberg through to see what he could do.
Brawn responded by making it clear that all he asked of his drivers was that they obeyed any instructions coming from the pit wall.
"That conversation happened after the race during our engineering briefing, when I said to both drivers that I expect them to respect the decisions made on the pit wall and to act in the best interests of the team," he said.

If we are to believe Ross Brawn, and I see no reason not to, then the Option 2 translation of the other quote would appear to be the most likely. I certainly don't recollect any comment by Hamilton on the podium or immediate press conference that would match Option 1, and there wasn't any broadcast radio conversation (LH/RB) that could be construed in that direction.

Anyway, back to the Rosberg v Hamilton discussion thread ...... I reckon they'll be having a few good scraps this year, and just hope that tempers are controlled and that common sense prevails.
So, do as Uncle Ross tells you, boys, and play nicely!

 

[Brogan]

but nevermind. I understand the support base Hamilton has here.

Sigh...

I really take exception when comments like this are made in response to a handful of posters at most.

 

[RickD]

Brogan - Unfortunately they are the most prolific posters on the site, so you are going to get it from anyone who is not a Hamilton supporter who reads this site. You may not like it, but thats the way it reads.

 

[Brogan]

Then it's up to other members to balance it out by posting about their favourite drivers.

 

[RickD]

We do, but we do not invade every thread and turn it into a Hamilton discussion regardless of the subject.

We also do not feel the need to defend any mention of our favourite drivers and dive down the throats of others because they may not support our drivers.

 

[ramilas1]

Yes, to both of you! It is a shame that everybody can't just have their favourites, and leave the rest to have theirs as well.

Too often it boils down to the "My dad's better than your dad" playground argument. Bring back I say!

 

[racecub]

RickD Hamilton is one of the most controversial drivers in that people seem to either strongly support him or dislike him...he's said so himself. He is bound to create debate. I find sometimes anything concerning him is presented negatively from some quarters (fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion) but then don't be surprised when Hamilton's supporters counter those arguments and present articles and facts to support their views. It works both ways.

 

[Jen]

If only LH relied on fan support, his own spin and PR! Job done, move over Vettel.

 

[teabagyokel]

Please, let us not have a conversation about how Lewis Hamilton has fans and has non-fans. He does. As does everyone else. Nobody has the monopoly of the truth, but everybody is fed up with the tedium of constantly discussing this rather than their opinions.

 

[Jen]

Sorry!