My Team's Nationality

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
The second anthem in the podium celebrations is the national anthem of the winning constructor. And who could deny that Il Canto degli Italiani is the fitting tune when a Ferrari driver stands atop the podium. But in this day and age of internationalism, it is less clear cut if the anthems are appropriate...

Take Red Bull, an Austrian conglomerate with two teams. Red Bull Racing's victories are accompanied by Land der Berge, Land am Strome, the national anthem of Austria, as the camera pans to a group of mechanics from Milton Keynes who don't know the words. Strangely, their second team, Toro Rosso, from Faenza, had one victory came with Il Canto degli Italiani as its accompaniment. No wonder when Red Bull won their first Grand Prix the Chinese podium rang out to the tune of God Save the Queen out of sheer confusion.

There are only three teams who's victories would trigger God Save the Queen, namely McLaren, Williams and Lotus Renault. Only Williams are unquestionably British. McLaren have been British for a long time, but would probably claim New Zealand roots if born today. Though the Lotus Renault team are based in Britain, the idea that La Marseillaise should be replaced by God Save the Queen to signify a Renault victory is as alien as the Union Jack being dropped to start the Le Mans 24 Hours. Especially since this has occured since their take over by a Malaysian company!

The Brackley mechanics will be celebrating to Das Lied der Deutschen this year for Mercedes, although their previous wins have been to God Save the Queen or Kimigayo. The Force India team is, of course, Indian. It used to be Irish, Russian and Dutch! It is based in Britain! Sauber are back to being Swiss not German, Virgin are apparently Russian too, even though they were British last year! Tony Fernandes' idea of bringing back Team Lotus is somewhat undermined by their Malaysian racing license.

By my reckoning, there are only three teams without a dual nationality in F1. Scuderia Ferarri are as Italian as pasta. HRT are undoubtedly Spanish, and have few sponsors to change that! Williams is a true British garagiste team limping into the 2010s!

So after all this, you have to ask, how can the constructor nationality concept still make sense in modern F1?
 

sportsman

Sidecar racers have the biggest cojones
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. HRT are undoubtedly Spanish, and have no sponsors to change that! Williams is a true British garagiste team limping into the 2010s!

So after all this, you have to ask, how can the constructor nationality concept still make sense in modern F1?

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no-FIAt-please

Champion Elect
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Hmm I think McLaren should use the British anthem, because even when Bruce McLaren founded the team he founded it as a British racing team didn't he? And they're based in Woking so it makes sense. However I dislike it when a team (such as Virgin, Team Lotus and Red Bull) has no link to the anthem played if they won.
 

Jen

Here be dragons.
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I hate tribalism!

Nationalism is fine but not when it is diluted by "off road" connections.

Like it or not we all now seem to be multi-cultural - the only given is the nationality of the winning driver - (who, of course, drives for himself not his country) and that should be preserved??

P'raps the only way of judging a constructor's nationality is where they pay their taxes - if indeed they do!?
 

sportsman

Sidecar racers have the biggest cojones
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Hmm I think McLaren should use the British anthem, because even when Bruce McLaren founded the team he founded it as a British racing team didn't he? And they're based in Woking so it makes sense. However I dislike it when a team (such as Virgin, Team Lotus and Red Bull) has no link to the anthem played if they won.
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Fenderman

Rooters Reporter
I hate nationalism. We're all on the same planet, human beings. Animals, even! The great thing about sporting competition of all kinds is the fact that sport has transcended national boundaries and brought people together from around the globe. Sometimes I wonder if we are really in the 21st century with all the primitive hatred and manifest crap going on in some regions. Oops I'm straying ... back to the music ...

Maybe the teams should come up with their own anthems with just the drivers national anthems played for them?
 

sportsman

Sidecar racers have the biggest cojones
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Living in an ex Soviet country which only gained its independence in 1991 after some forty odd years of suppression the nationality issues are enforced here to the nth degree.
We have Language laws which enforce these laws.Fourteen days of every year you are required by law to fly the Latvian national flag on your house or any building which you own.A flag which is dirty is an offence.
Failure to do so results in a hefty fime.
Any advertising for any event must by law be displayed in the Latvian language before any other languages.
There are various other regulations that must be conformed with to satisfy the nationalistic regulations.
Racial discrimination is applied covertly and although I can speak Latvian my accent gives me away instantly and if I do fall foul of the traffic police for parking offences or any minor offence I am treated far more harshly than a local would be.
 

gethinceri

Lance Stroll Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan.
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I think that Herb Alpert's "Spanish Flea" should be played to celebrate HRT's home victory this year.

For fear of directing you to the music thread it's this one:

The winning driver will, of course need to dance along. Should I write to Bernie to insist on this?
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
When cricketers come on in Twenty-20 they choose their own theme music (I seem to remember Jack Russell chose something like How much is that doggy in the window?). Maybe the drivers could choose a piece of music to be played on the podium if they win.
 

GeoffP

Thank you and good night
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Surprisingly I do believe in Nationalism, I believe in essence it is the corner stone to national and social pride. I do, however feel it is more often mis-interpreted than sarbanes-oxley.

I believe that nationalism's mis-understanding/mis-communication starts at the Government level and goes to all levels. It has nothing to do with beating or disrespecting others, simply because it's not negative. Nationalism is a positive emotion that starts by respecting your back yard, and, logically encourages respect in the national pride of others.

Having said that, it does have it's place, and F1 has no relevance, hardly any of the new locals audiences would even recognise the anthems they hear, even fewer would have a clue regarding the relevance.

Maybe there should be a change for sponsorship, companies sponsor the "team tune", then we could have Ferrari wins celebrated to the sound of "Coke is it" - now that has a high profile sport sound to it...
 

Fenderman

Rooters Reporter
Sporstman nails it. His situation speaks volumes about Nationalism.

I don't see Nationalism as any kind of an emotion. Its a mindset. Out of date, its usefulness and out of its time. As ably mentioned in previous posts the teams are so international and cosmopolitan in their make up F1 is much more about pride in human endeavour and achievement. I imagine the crews of the ISS looking down from orbit would concur. The world is a small place, a country is just one garden in the neighbourhood. That's my view and hope it's not offensive to anyone, anywhere.
 

Speshal

World Champion
Valued Member
The great thing about sporting competition of all kinds is the fact that sport has transcended national boundaries and brought people together from around the globe.

The World Cups (Football and Rugby)
The Ryder Cup
The America's Cup
The 6 Nations
The Tri-Nations
The team sports in the Olympics

I could go on but these are all sports where nations compete against each other.
 

teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
The Ryder Cup? I'm not sure anyone bar frightened Daily Express readers think Europe is a nation!

So we've got Spanish flea for HRT. Any other appropriate tunes for teams?

How about the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine for Manor?
 

GeoffP

Thank you and good night
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The Ryder Cup? I'm not sure anyone bar frightened Daily Express readers think Europe is a nation!

So we've got Spanish flea for HRT. Any other appropriate tunes for teams?

How about the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine for Manor?

Shame there's no more tobacco advertising, I'd definitely go for using the Hamlet theme
 

F1Yorkshire

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How about the theme tune to Last of the Summer Wine for Manor?

TBY this is where we have to respectfully disagree. There is only one song worthy of being a Yorkshire national anthem!

I posted it before in the other anthems thread sometime last year but if anyone is interested here's the link!
 

FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
I'd hope one of the teams would choose something like The Garden of Eden by Iron Butterfly, can you imagine them all standing around for 10 minutes while the song went on, and on, and on...
 
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