Current Lewis Hamilton

A place to put all the posts from all the other threads primarily but love him or hate him, and even for the indifferent amongst us this is the place to discuss the marmite that is Lewis Hamilton, to learn a thing or two about his rise, talk about those controversial, genius or mad moments and something that i am bemused by, the recent articles that suggest something quite different to my perception of what's going on. Any experiences of meeting LH?

Brundle had to write a Lewis Hamilton article recently and in my tweets (which were probably ignored) I asked him to talk about LH the driver not LH the personality. It seems that you can't have one without the other.

So as a starter for ten, here is a fairly recent LH article. Posts should not be limited to this link but it can get some discussion going. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13755883.stm

The only banned topic as it is clearly ridiculous involves these four things "Glock" "2008" "Brazil" "conspiracy"
 
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Hamberg said:
It is very much about that Sarinaide - his style has put him in contention and finishing seasons ahead of his team mate in virtually every championship he has raced in for a reason.

By your logic if he isn't in front he should just sit back and take the easy points.

If that's what you want then fine, but to me that's not racing, that will never win you a WDC unless you are in a by far superior car and that isn't the approach Alonso would take either - who incidentally is also capable of critical errors, as they all are, but I wouldn't call for Alonso's style to change.
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I have said that many posts ago, that experience is a great thing, and nobody is incapable of learning from the mistakes or where they can improve. And just to clarify the situation, Alonso makes mistakes yes, but from what I gather he doesn't repeat them, and certainly not twice or more in a season.

Sometimes you have to settle, it all comes down to the race situation, if the points are guarenteed then you should take them, it is not always about how many passes or living up to the reputation. I have nowhere implied that Lewis must just drive around Massa style.
 
Fenderman said:
LH is one of the top three racing drivers on the F1 planet but he has a great big metaphorical target painted on his back, arms legs, head, helmet, race car andanywhere else I can think of.....
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This reminded me of a book by Eric Berne entitled 'The Games People Play' published in the 60s and, in particular, a 'game' called 'Kick Me'.

I'm not saying I agree or disagree.

Make of it what you will.

http://www.ericberne.com/games/games_people_play_kickme.htm
 
No-one, I think, is suggesting that Hamilton has nothing to learn. We all continue to learn throughout our lives or we stagnate and die early.

There seems to be an insistence on the part of so many pundits in the media that he needs to learn from what they see as his mistakes when those mistakes are only in their opinion. I can forgive the casual veiwer or fan in this regard but until someone can show me the empirical evidence and not hearsay to change my mind, I will continue to maintain that Lewis makes fewer mistakes than most at his level of the sport and that his approach to racing is essentially correct.

Further, I would suggest that perhaps some more attention needs to be paid to educating some of the other drivers involved in these incidents with Hamilton. Otherwise this can only get worse as the mythology becomes accepted as fact and Lewis gets bumped, penalised and pilloried with impunity. Then when he says "is it 'cos I is black?" I won't want to hear a peep out of Stewards, media or anyone else.
 
I am a big Lewis fan but for me the thing that Lewis most definitely needs to learn is a bit more respect for other drivers on track.

I don't mean that he disrespects other drivers but that he assumes that they will bow to his self assured talent. The talent is there, no doubt, but he cannot assume that everybody else will give him all the berth he needs and not fight for either thier position or his. When he learns this he will be complete. There's nothing else really missing from his game but this blotch on his attitude is costing him dearly and will continue to until he eradicated it.
 
But Alonso has made far less critical errors than Hamilton, hasn't he? Of course, Alonso has years more experience than Hamilton, but still.

I do think you're kind of exaggerating, Ray.
 
Fenderman said:
No-one, I think, is suggesting that Hamilton has nothing to learn. We all continue to learn throughout our lives or we stagnate and die early.

There seems to be an insistence on the part of so many pundits in the media that he needs to learn from what they see as his mistakes when those mistakes are only in their opinion. I can forgive the casual veiwer or fan in this regard but until someone can show me the empirical evidence and not hearsay to change my mind, I will continue to maintain that Lewis makes fewer mistakes than most at his level of the sport and that his approach to racing is essentially correct.
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Well, the empirical evidence is in relation to what the car can give you minus what you can get out of the car.

So, Fenderman, do you honestly think Hamilton has extracted everything the car had on offer at - collectively - Malaysia, Monaco, Canada, Hungary and Belgium?

If the answer is "no" then you can dig as to why...and when you get to the "why", some - not all, mind you - will lead to Lewis himself.
 
He's extracted more out of that car than many others on the grid would have, so yes. A coming together in whatever circumstance has nothing to do with extracting the most out of the car.Unless of course, it's due to extracting everything the car has to offer that puts one in the position to get extracted from the race.

Anyway, I like to exit roundabouts so I've said my piece. Folk's may choose to understand it, disagree with it or lump it, since I'll not bore anyone with repetitions, variations or modifications of it.:goodday:
 
Fenderman said:
He's extracted more out of that car than many others on the grid would have, so yes.:goodday:
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He's an Ace, not one of the mere "many" and he's being paid like an Ace, not one of the "many".

Regardless, given that the slower (in qualifying) McLaren driver has scored more points with one (/extra) DNF which wasn't his fault (British GP), then you have to say that Hamilton hasn't extracted the most out of the McLaren this year in terms of the World Championship.

So i'll have to disagree respectfully, Sir. :goodday:In my opinion, Lewis has left way too many points on the table...and some of them ended up in Vettel's pocket.
 
ExtremeNinja said:
I am a big Lewis fan but for me the thing that Lewis most definitely needs to learn is a bit more respect for other drivers on track.

I don't mean that he disrespects other drivers but that he assumes that they will bow to his self assured talent. The talent is there, no doubt, but he cannot assume that everybody else will give him all the berth he needs and not fight for either thier position or his. When he learns this he will be complete. There's nothing else really missing from his game , nut this blotch on his attitude is costing him dearly and will continue to until he eradicated it.
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I think the word I would use is awareness...Lewis needs to be aware
When I was learning to drive, I was told to assume every one else on the road was an idiot & never to presume that anyone would do the right/correct thing. This advice still comes to mind when I'm driving & has stood me in good stead
 
F1ang-o said:
I think the word I would use is awareness...Lewis needs to be aware
When I was learning to drive, I was told to assume every one else on the road was an idiot & never to presume that anyone would do the right/correct thing. This advice still comes to mind when I'm driving & has stood me in good stead
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I suspect that in the main he is well aware with regard to some, but others seem to catch him by surprise!:D
 
F1ang-o said:
I think the word I would use is awareness...Lewis needs to be aware
When I was learning to drive, I was told to assume every one else on the road was an idiot & never to presume that anyone would do the right/correct thing. This advice still comes to mind when I'm driving & has stood me in good stead
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I think he is aware, but sometimes expects others to "beware". It scuppers him when the brave ones do not take heed. I still wouldn't have him any other way but it makes it extremely difficult emotionally to be a Hamilton fan.
 
lewymp4 said:
Hang in their Ninja......Hang in their!
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It's often hard. I'm not giving up on him any time soon. Mainly for the reason that he has not given up on himself and often proves he can deliver where others couldn't. It's delivering where others can he needs to sort out. I hope he can because I still believe he's the greatest raw talent out there.
 
If it's awareness he lacks then it is a new development

Maybe the fact that he didn't expect Koba to be challenging again after been dusted is to to with the creation of the climate were it's open season on Lewis as a result of the attitudes of the BBC and FIA stewards

When a nasty little thug like Maldonado has EJ siding with him even after he admitted 'fighting' with his car, when the haters are out in force sniffing a lynching in the media

Do we expect Lewis to remain aware of every single toad on the road happy to tangle?
 
Josh said:
So you're saying Kobayashi wasn't entitled to challenge Hamilton?
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He was entitled to challenge but he also had a responsibility to realise the futility of the attempt. Quite frankly, I would hate to be on the road with someone looking constantly in their mirror as opposed to where they are going, so on a track you rely on the drivers around you to use their brains not just their right foot.

Not sure why I've posted on this subject again. All the arguments have been done to the death in this thread, the race weekend thread and down the pub. My apologies for adding another twopence worth. It's my last. I am metaphorically skint on this subject. Sorry to have become a bore :bored:.
 
Fenderman said:
He was entitled to challenge but he also had a responsibility to realise the futility of the attempt. Quite frankly, I would hate to be on the road with someone looking constantly in their mirror as opposed to where they are going, so on a track you rely on the drivers around you to use their brains not just their right foot.

Not sure why I've posted on this subject again. All the arguments have been done to the death in this thread, the race weekend thread and down the pub. My apologies for adding another twopence worth. It's my last. I am metaphorically skint on this subject. Sorry to have become a bore :bored:.
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You're right on that but the the guy in front also has to expect the unexpected. same as Jenson/Lewis Canada. Hence 50/50.

Night night all. Xx
 

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