Current Lewis Hamilton

A place to put all the posts from all the other threads primarily but love him or hate him, and even for the indifferent amongst us this is the place to discuss the marmite that is Lewis Hamilton, to learn a thing or two about his rise, talk about those controversial, genius or mad moments and something that i am bemused by, the recent articles that suggest something quite different to my perception of what's going on. Any experiences of meeting LH?

Brundle had to write a Lewis Hamilton article recently and in my tweets (which were probably ignored) I asked him to talk about LH the driver not LH the personality. It seems that you can't have one without the other.

So as a starter for ten, here is a fairly recent LH article. Posts should not be limited to this link but it can get some discussion going. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13755883.stm

The only banned topic as it is clearly ridiculous involves these four things "Glock" "2008" "Brazil" "conspiracy"
 
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Josh said:
So you're saying Kobayashi wasn't entitled to challenge Hamilton?
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Is there a duh, wake up McFly smiley?

Every driver is entitled to challenge but when one has a damaged car and has just been dusted is it really a lack of awareness for Lewis to assume that he understands the futility of trying to go for a space that doesn't really exist?

My point is, would Koba had done the same thing if Maldonado and others hardly got punished for similarly futile moves?
 
He came back at him almost right after Hamilton passed him, it's not like Hamilton immediately had a large gap or anything. You can hardly say Koba was dusted. Kobayashi drove the entire race with that front wing if I recall correctly, so clearly it didn't hamper his driving. Not sure why you would bring that up.
Lewis clearly wasn't aware of Kobayashi being there so yes, he did have a lack of awareness in that specific incident.

And yes, Koba probably would have done the same thing, because he had the opportunity to do so.
 
Having watched the race again what I deduce from that incident.

1] Kobiyashi started off by going the wrong side, and was driving into a closing corridor.

2] Kobiyashi appeared to look like he missed the breaking point completely.

3] Lewis could go nowhere that any other driver would not have done exactly the same, to blame Lewis for not leaving a gap and all that jazz is really just not justifiable, the video posted showed that Vettel did exactly the same, along with everyone else making an overtake at that point.

4] The only way to avoid the coming together was if Kobiyashi bailed early and cut underneath, he didnt' he refused to buck out and caused a collision.
 
Josh said:
Lewis clearly wasn't aware of Kobayashi being there so yes, he did have a lack of awareness in that specific incident.

And yes, Koba probably would have done the same thing, because he had the opportunity to do so.
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Yes Lewis might have made an error of assuming Koba had no reason to be right there

Making a misjudgement is different to having general 'lack of awareness' and 'making stupid mistakes all the time'

This is all getting extremely tiring
 
Simple question about the Hamilton/Kobayashi incident. For all intents and purposes it's almost an identical crash to what Hamilton had with Button in Montreal (Hamilton simply switches sides) and yet Hamilton is blamed for both? My sense of logic cannot work this one out! :D
 
What do we think of Lewis being so apologetic to everyone this weekend? Do we think he means it or do you think his PR machine has jumped in and moved him from one perspective to the other.

I expected him to be annoyed at the Kobi incident as although I'm not going to have a go at Kobi for it it was prob 70 - 30 his fault in my view. Expected Lewis to at least make a stand on it
 
VanChallis said:
Simple question about the Hamilton/Kobayashi incident. For all intents and purposes it's almost an identical crash to what Hamilton had with Button in Montreal (Hamilton simply switches sides) and yet Hamilton is blamed for both? My sense of logic cannot work this one out! :D
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Any objective observer would note that Lewis had part of the blame in each incident. The stewards got it right by not taking action in either. In both incidents,blame could be equally apportioned to both drivers involved.
 
Lewis' aggression and attacking spirit are being dismantled by the establishment.

He is adapting in the way he is being guided by the invisible forces of the establishment

This is not a sport, but a show, becoming more like WWF as we go along

There can be no sporting justice or fairness in F1 and Lewis is realising that, like Kimi found out, if you don't toe the line and have the right face and demeanour and attitude, you will get the crap detail.

I would actually prefer he quit the sport and find another series that appreciate his sporting prowess, he is already a legend of sorts and if he quit posterity would understand why he only has 1 WC

Its disappointing, but most fans will not realise that F1 post Lewis aint gonna be that good for a while IMHO

I for one would probably go back to taking the type of cursory interest I took between 2002 - 2007

Its like watching fixed football games or fights, boring after a while
 
Think thats a bit over the top Cook but guessing you're angry. I'm afraid if he quit that the history books would not take it into account.

As for F1 being entertaining. I agree that Lewis adds a great deal of entertainment but I don't remember the Grand Prix suddenly being dull when he went out on Sunday - the same back in Canada so I think that claim is a little off the mark.

Also I can't remember Kimi getting anyway near the media attention of penalties/incidents that Lewis has had so I find that strange.

As for the WWE (WWF is world wildlife fund - and whilst I agree thats not as good as F1 guessing you didn't mean that) I think thats a little bit of an extreme example as that is all acting.

I understand you're angry at the treatment Lewis is getting and I believe he is getting a raw deal but if you're only watching F1 for one driver I think you're missing the wider point.

Even though there is still the uproar around Lewis I feel he is being treated fairer by the actual FIA than he was. I think Jean Todt is not a Max and is not looking to get his name in the headlines by slapping penalties and sanctions here there and everywhere. The problem I find at the moment is the ex-driver scenario. Whilst its great to have the knowledge of an ex driver on the panal the problem is that most of them have an axe to grind with someone and one thing that makes racing drivers what they are is the ability to hold grudges or hold opinions. Lewis unfourtuantly seems to have come a cropper to some of them as he seems to have effed some of them off with what they see as a cocky attitude. Not that I think he has a cocky attitude but I'm afraid the "...monkeys at the back" comment won't go away.

I will have to comment that Schumacher has been on the end of some very harsh penalties as well because....well....he's Michael Schumacher and people just don't like him because he won everything. Can you tell me why he got a stop go at Silverstone and not a drive thru? coz damned if I know.

What the FIA needs is to have a consistant independent panal that is present for everyrace. Then you'd get consistancy.

If Lewis does stomp off out of F1 in protest - where is he actually going to go? He drives single seaters - can you name me a single seater series thats even slightly on the level of F1?
 
RasputinLives said:
Think thats a bit over the top Cook but guessing you're angry. I'm afraid if he quit that the history books would not take it into account.

As for F1 being entertaining. I agree that Lewis adds a great deal of entertainment but I don't remember the Grand Prix suddenly being dull when he went out on Sunday - the same back in Canada so I think that claim is a little off the mark.I understand you're angry at the treatment Lewis is getting and I believe he is getting a raw deal but if you're only watching F1 for one driver I think you're missing the wider point.
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You are missing the point

I dont watch for one driver, I watch for several drivers competing for wins

Why would I be angry? An opinion is not generated by emotion,, only observation, otherwise it wouldnt be an opinion but a reaction

It was boring for me years ago, I fell asleep almost every Sundau and just started watching less and less, thats a fact

For me a few drivers in competitive cars who actually race is required to keep me awake, drivers jumping out of the way to build up points doesnt keep me awake. Seb on his own without any racing competition in a decent car would send me to sleep

Thats me and my opinion
 
RasputinLives said:
I will have to comment that Schumacher has been on the end of some very harsh penalties as well because....well....he's Michael Schumacher and people just don't like him because he won everything. Can you tell me why he got a stop go at Silverstone and not a drive thru? coz damned if I know.
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This was actually a very simple decision. It was announced before the GP that drive-through penalties would become Stop/Go penalties because a drive-through would actually gain a driver time with the new pit-lane layout . It was discussed in several threads after the race.

Back on topic. At this point in his career, if Lewis quit F1 (which of course is purely hypothetical), I would lose all respect for him. Formula One is where the best of the best duke it out, and the Lewis I support will be back in 2012 aiming to show that he belongs at the top of the heap.
 
KekeTheKing said:
Formula One is where the best of the best duke it out, and the Lewis I support will be back in 2012 aiming to show that he belongs at the top of the heap.
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Lewis exists to drive F1 cars. Period.

The best thing Lewis can do is go to Monza, stick that McLaren on Pole/The Front Row, and try to win the Italian Grand Prix...but without trying to win it at the first chicane or on Lap 1!

The guy knows how to win...he just needs to clarify in his own mind that races are long enough - and the opportunity to pass are material enough these days - that he just needs to be there when the chequered falls, especially as he's got a good car now.

I'm a huge Lewis fan but I can't rate him the top driver of 2011 right now.

Yes, McLaren may have let him down at certain points of the season (possibly Q3 Monaco, Hungary) but Lewis hasn't helped himself at some races this year (Malaysia, Monaco, Canada, Hungary and now Belgium). These 5 races weren't entirely 100% his fault...but he as to assume about (or at least) 50% of the responsibilty for most of them.

Vettel is driving like a Champion...but I wish I could say the same for Hamilton. (Having said that neither of Webber or Button or Alonso has driven like a champion this year either...So Lewis isn't alone.)
 
KekeTheKing said:
This was actually a very simple decision. It was announced before the GP that drive-through penalties would become Stop/Go penalties because a drive-through would actually gain a driver time with the new pit-lane layout . It was discussed in several threads after the race.
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Thanks for that Keke - must have missed that one. Still think Schumi gets more penalties than most though.
 
ExtremeNinja said:
Any objective observer would note that Lewis had part of the blame in each incident. The stewards got it right by not taking action in either. In both incidents,blame could be equally apportioned to both drivers involved.
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I agree, racing is racing, and accidents happen, but why do the BBC pundits, and then the media, apportion the majority of the blame to Lewis regardless of the situation. That's the issue that gets to me. I'm surprised someone hasn't tried to blame him for the Hill/Schumacher crash in 94! LOL
 
KekeTheKing said:
I don't think anyone has ever tried to claim such a thing.
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Fair enough. Having said so, sometimes you can rate a driver 'Top Driver Of The Year' without him having won the WDC.

Last year a case could have been made for Hamilton being 'rated' Number 1 eventhough he finished 4th in the WDC.

This year something seems missing...and it's not just down to Vettel have a 'dream' year (which, as you rightly say, he's having).
 

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