Might even come with a sponsorship package from Tata!
F1 and Ethnic Diversity
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Might even come with a sponsorship package from Tata!
Cookinflatsix
Banned
Good question
http://www.gladwell.com/1997/1997_05_19_a_sports.htm
Malcolm Gladwell, who is generally regarded as one of the most astute of social commentators looked at this, he also looks more recently at the similarities between American football and dogfighting
Gladwell also happens to be black btw
Andyoak
Champion Elect
Might also choose Indian because it would open up the Indian market to sponsors... there's a lot of money coming through over there that will be spent. It might not be evenly distributed but it's there.
Which also brings us back to the drivers / techie's etc.
The sport has always been expensive to get into; you need access to quite a lot of bucks to start racing even in lower formula. Therefore, it stands to reason that the drivers will come from ethnic groups with money... until most recently, predominantly European / North American.
Likewise on the techie front... F1 employs engineers at the pinacle of their field and that means top drawer education which again doesn't come cheap.
Finally, the big money that F1 relies on appears to be generally conservative and will maintain the status quo while it still works.
Maybe Bernie is right... it's all about the money.
Andrea_Moda_Rules
Podium Finisher
Because Motorsport is stranger then fiction. Hell just about every motorsport movie made since Grand prix suck because of this and is tottaly unbelivable, unless its happening for real.
I had a thought on this today. Back in the 70's Elf set up a school which gave us drivers like Jabouille, Tambay, Prost and Arnoux. In the late 80's Mercedes young driver program gave us Wendlinger, Frentzen and, of course, Schumacher (M). I wonder if there is anything similar going on in India, China or the Middle East?
New Zealand had its "Driver to Europe" program which gave us McLaren, Hulme and Amon. It is no coincidence that there has been an absence of drivers from there since the termination of the program.
I would love to see a few women get enough support to make it. I thought Legge might do, but she has vanished like smoke in the wind.
I would love to see a few women get enough support to make it. I thought Legge might do, but she has vanished like smoke in the wind.
Believe it or not, 56 year old Willy T. Ribbs was back in action this weekend. Returning from a 10-year hiatus, Ribbs hopped into an Indy Lights car to battle guys almost 30 years his junior. The venue was the inaugural Baltimore GP circuit that blasts past the football and baseball stadiums on the Baltimore Harbor.
After snatching Pole Position, Willy set off into the distance and lapped the entire field...................Until he woke up.
Obviously, Ribbs was a bit rusty, but as a one-off, it was pretty much just for fun. Here's Willy's take on the whole thing.
http://www.racer.com/willy-t-ribbs-blog-a-horse-out-of-pasture/article/210907/
For the record, Ribbs stepped out of the car a few laps short of the 35-Lap race distance.
After snatching Pole Position, Willy set off into the distance and lapped the entire field...................Until he woke up.
Obviously, Ribbs was a bit rusty, but as a one-off, it was pretty much just for fun. Here's Willy's take on the whole thing.
http://www.racer.com/willy-t-ribbs-blog-a-horse-out-of-pasture/article/210907/
For the record, Ribbs stepped out of the car a few laps short of the 35-Lap race distance.
Kamui-FastestChefInTheWorld
Points Scorer
No he said once that he has it to link the earth and the stars together... I read it in F1 Racing quite some time ago.
As said before just because you are black does not entitle you to a free F1 Seat to show "oh yeah we are multi-cultural " just like the Conservatives basically. You need talent in F1 not a dark complexion of your skin.
As said before just because you are black does not entitle you to a free F1 Seat to show "oh yeah we are multi-cultural " just like the Conservatives basically. You need talent in F1 not a dark complexion of your skin.
Cookinflatsix
Banned
It's actually the opposite
If you are black then you would have to be exponentially better than the next guy just to get a shot, that's why the first blacks to break into any sport will tend to be exceptionally talented, like Lewis and Tiger
Of course the system will find a way of discrediting them and reclaiming the space for the less talented sons of the system
It's the way societys have always behaved, until F1 gets non White sponsors and audiences expect this
Just a thought but what we call 'White Brazilians' may describe themselves as being Hispanic which can be viewed as a complete different ethnicity itself. If you count the Brazilians (Massa, Barrichello, Senna) and throw in Perez(Mexico) and Maldonado(Venuzuala) they have quite a high rate of representation. Many Hispanic American's consider themselves and underclass that recieve even more prejudice than African Americans these days so at least F1 doesn't suffer from this.
Also lets note that although driving under the flag of Switzerland Sebastian Buemi is of Arabic decent.
I think where some ethnicites are concerned you can see the lack of them coming to F1 through the lack of interest the sport has had in the region they live. For instance when the Japanese started to supply engines and tyres to F1 we started to get Japanese drivers. Now India has a Grand Prix we're getting Indian drivers. China has already been mention. Where drivers of African decent are concerned GB is the country with highest population that has a big interst in F1 so it made sense that that we should be the country that produces the first high quality F1 driver with that ethnic background. I think if the sport became popular in certain areas of the U.S we'd see a few more......unfourtunatly holding a race in Texas really won't bring in that market.
There is of course one 'ethnicity' missing from F1 that can't be explained away by which sectors of society have money and which regions F1 is in. That would be the missing sex from F1. Why so few female drivers? Always a big question.
There have been exactly 800 F1 drivers representing 37 nations. I don't think thats too bad a spread.
Also lets note that although driving under the flag of Switzerland Sebastian Buemi is of Arabic decent.
I think where some ethnicites are concerned you can see the lack of them coming to F1 through the lack of interest the sport has had in the region they live. For instance when the Japanese started to supply engines and tyres to F1 we started to get Japanese drivers. Now India has a Grand Prix we're getting Indian drivers. China has already been mention. Where drivers of African decent are concerned GB is the country with highest population that has a big interst in F1 so it made sense that that we should be the country that produces the first high quality F1 driver with that ethnic background. I think if the sport became popular in certain areas of the U.S we'd see a few more......unfourtunatly holding a race in Texas really won't bring in that market.
There is of course one 'ethnicity' missing from F1 that can't be explained away by which sectors of society have money and which regions F1 is in. That would be the missing sex from F1. Why so few female drivers? Always a big question.
There have been exactly 800 F1 drivers representing 37 nations. I don't think thats too bad a spread.
I think it is interesting that people have commented on the lack of non-white faces employed by the teams. As we only see a very small proportion of those involved in each team how do we know who is employed in the factory, as PR, sitting watching the servers in the back room at each race?
Josh
Champion Elect
I know Petrov has an Asian (don't know his nationality) race engineer, and I think Red Bull have a non-white mechanic. Could be a different team, though.
EDIT: just found a picture. Can't embed it because it's on f1.com, but it's picture #62 here: http://www.formula1.com/gallery/race/2011/858/general/sunday.html
(is there a way to shorten links?)
I found another one in the Monaco gallery. Guess the majority of F1 personnel is white, though.
EDIT: just found a picture. Can't embed it because it's on f1.com, but it's picture #62 here: http://www.formula1.com/gallery/race/2011/858/general/sunday.html
(is there a way to shorten links?)
I found another one in the Monaco gallery. Guess the majority of F1 personnel is white, though.
Kamui-FastestChefInTheWorld
Points Scorer
Most of the teams are European, and all are based in Europe, so it makes sense that most team personnel are White European.
Cookinflatsix
Banned
Whatever happened to that black chap Roger who was Webbers physio
I remember Bernie banned physios from the grid, I wonder if this coincided with his dip in form
I remember Bernie banned physios from the grid, I wonder if this coincided with his dip in form
Fenderman
Rooters Reporter
Hi Ras', I wondered about that when starting a thread having read a piece in Autosport. The thread and the reaction I got is here:
http://cliptheapex.com/threads/women-in-motorsport-media-fairly-represented.3021/
Quite interesting posts and food for thought
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