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[Johnny Carwash]

Not sure if this question has been asked yet but here goes. If the current points scoring system was applied to all the seasons from 1950-2009, how many different World drivers champions would there have been.

 

[no-FIAt-please]

I seem to remember reading an article about this subject (but I can't find it!). The only change I remember was that Massa would have been 2008 WDC instead of Hamilton.

 

[Brogan]

Several of us have posted tables for that - have a look in the stat's forum.

 

[Slyboogy]

Eddie Irvine would have won 1999, and I seem to remember Prost having a different number of title, might have been more, might have been less.

Those are the only two I can think of right now, but there where a few more, I think Piquet might have not won any championships at all? Could be wrong about the last one, but the other two I'm sure are right.

 

[teabagyokel]

Slyboogy & no-FIAt-please

What you are referring to was my post about the medal system that Bernie suggested at the beginning of 2009, which had these results:

Keep the forum tidy for those who don't want to see

HISTORICAL WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS BY THIS METHOD:
(Italicised where different)

1950: Farina
1951: Fangio
1952: Ascari
1953: Ascari
1954: Fangio
1955: Fangio
1956: Fangio
1957: Fangio
1958: Moss
1959: Moss
1960: Brabham
1961: Hill, P
1962: Hill, G
1963: Clark
1964: Clark
1965: Clark
1966: Brabham
1967: Clark
1968: Hill, G
1969: Stewart
1970: Rindt
1971: Stewart
1972: Fittipaldi
1973: Stewart
1974: Fittipaldi
1975: Lauda
1976: Hunt
1977: Andretti
1978: Andretti
1979: Jones
1980: Jones
1981: Prost
1982: Pironi(Trust me on this one, its a serious nightmare!)
1983: Prost
1984: Prost
1985: Prost
1986: Mansell
1987: Mansell
1988: Senna
1989: Senna
1990: Senna
1991: Senna
1992: Mansell
1993: Prost
1994: Schumacher, M
1995: Schumacher, M
1996: Hill, D
1997: Villeneuve, J
1998: Hakkinen
1999: Hakkinen
2000: Schumacher, M
2001: Schumacher, M
2002: Schumacher, M
2003: Schumacher, M
2004: (Surprisingly) Schumacher, M
2005: Alonso
2006: Alonso
2007: Raikkonen
2008: Massa

And now

2009: Button
2010: Vettel (on fourth places!)
2011: Vettel

I'm not sure how the 25-18-... system would change things though Johnny Carwash

 

[KekeTheKing]

If the current points scoring system was applied to all the seasons from 1950-2009....

...Scott Speed would have collected 6 World Championship points.

 

[Bill Boddy]

No system which gives Speed points can be altogether good.

 

[Fenderman]

 

[cider_and_toast]

Some friends of mine recently gave me an encyclopedia of formula one book which was up to date to include the 2011 season. While reading the list of top three constructors finishers since that title began in the late 50's I noticed that Mclaren were listed as a Kiwi team until the late 80's and then they return to the top three in rhe mid 90's as a British team. What I'd like to know is when and why did it change from the original country of Bruce Mclaren to GB and does anyone remember the playing of the New Zealand national anthem on the podium for the winning constructor or was this a more recent feature hence I can't remember hearing it after Prost or Senna's victories.

 

[Slyboogy]

When was the last two drivers from the Renault (Lotus) team have two drivers on the podium? Sometime in 2006 I say?

Must have been why they where quite ecstatic with the result yesterday.

 

[Josh]

Slyboogy it was Japan 2006, the penultimate race of the season.

 

[tooncheese]

Random thought came into my head, has there ever been an on track pass for the lead at Monaco?

 

[Mephistopheles]

Not sure if this question has been asked yet but here goes. If the current points scoring system was applied to all the seasons from 1950-2009, how many different World drivers champions would there have been.

Damon Hill would have won two world championships, obviously dropping Schumi down to a meager
six.

The new system was supposed to give more benefit to the winner but what it actually does is disadvantages a driver who fails to score far more than it should, for instance before Bahrain Lewis was 3 points ahead of Button having scored 3 thirds to Buttons one win one second place and no points in Malaysia, under the old system they would have both been on 18 points...

And the system before that Button would have been on 14 and Lewis on 12 plus they still would be after Bahrain...

 

[Mephistopheles]

As F1 is set to return to Paul Ricarde next year does anyone know what the circuit is like for racing? all I know is back in the days of testing teams used to go there to do set up work for the Monaco GP, does this mean it is tight and no good for overtaking?

 

[Galahad]

Random thought came into my head, has there ever been an on track pass for the lead at Monaco?

Mansell passed Prost for the lead in the wet 1984 race. I'm sure there have been more in the dim and distant.

 

[Galahad]

As F1 is set to return to Paul Ricarde next year does anyone know what the circuit is like for racing? all I know is back in the days of testing teams used to go there to do set up work for the Monaco GP, does this mean it is tight and no good for overtaking?

There are hundreds of different configurations, and I also remember teams used to use a particularly tight and fiddly one to do their setup work for Monaco. The original layout used up to the mid 1980s used the full length of the Mistral Straight, with a series of fast-ish sweeps to begin and to end the lap, so average speeds were high for the time (behind Silverstone, Monza, Hockenheim or the O-Ring).

After Elio de Angelis was killed in a crash in the opening sequence of corners, a new layout was used, with the field turning sharp right after the start and joining the Mistral halfway along. That slowed the average speeds quite a bit, but still up around the 180-190kmh mark - middle of the road among the circuits of the day.

Hopefully this gives an idea (start-finish straight is at the bottom centre):

http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Circuit Paul Ricard, Route des Hauts du Camp, Le Castellet, France&hl=en&ll=43.252595,5.790846&spn=0.012565,0.027874&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=55.279921,114.169922&oq=paul ricard&hq=Circuit Paul Ricard, Route des Hauts du Camp, Le Castellet, France&radius=15000&t=h&z=16

 

[Mephistopheles]

Blimey that is a lot of track layouts, very confusing...

 

[downforce]

At the Silverstone and Abu Dhabi young driver tests this year. Are the teams running the 2012 cars or do they have to do the whole 2 years old car thing?

And if they are using this years car can they test upgrades on the car and use it as a normal in season test like Mugello?

 

[tooncheese]

downforce

They can run this years car. And they do use it like a test session (McLaren with Paffet), although it was too late in the season for new parts to be developed, that may change with the new silverstone test, when is it?

 

[RasputinLives]

tooncheese - the weekend after the British GP - all teams will be there apart from Red Bull and Toro Rosso who have chosen to use Abu Dhabi instead. Pirreli are also testing 'experimental' rubber at Silverstone too.