LifeW12
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it was a stupid idea anyway, having the Indy 500 in the world championship
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it was a stupid idea anyway, having the Indy 500 in the world championship
Alberto Ascari missed the Swiss GP in 1952 to enter the Indy 500 for Ferrari, he retired having qualified in 19th position.
On the flip side, Rodger Ward entered an Indy500 Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser in the 1959 United States Grand Prix at Sebring, qualifying a magnificent 43.8 seconds down on Stirling Moss' pole time and retiring after 20 laps.
On the flip side, Rodger Ward entered an Indy500 Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser in the 1959 United States Grand Prix at Sebring, qualifying a magnificent 43.8 seconds down on Stirling Moss' pole time and retiring after 20 laps.
Didn't Hill win it?
Not when it was a part of the Championship. Ditto Clark.
To answer my own question, I analyzed the position changes of the cars on the front row from 2000 to 2013. I only used the cars starting from the front row because they are in "clean air", so their starts are not affected by slow-starting vehicles in front of them. It seems that there is more "randomness" in modern F1: the probability of the second-placed car to overtake the pole-sitter has increased, but the probability of losing positions at the start has also increased, see the per-season averages:
2000: -0.21 (1st)/-0.38 (2nd)
2001: -0.20/-0.57
2002: -0.13/-0.23
2003: -0.20/-0.79
2004: -0.06/-1.22
2005: -0.26/-0.47
2006: -0.06/-0.25
2007: -0.13/-0.38
2008: -0.18/-0.24
2009: -0.38/-0.94
2010: -0.67/-0.17
2011: -0.39/-0.22
2012: -0.15/-0.21
2013: -0.37/-0.63
Year-to-year variability is likely a result of having some slow-starters on the front row. The influence of traction control (2001-2007) seems limited. Possibly the lack of a warm-up to lay down rubber explains why starting from the dirty side was such a disadvantage in 2003 and 2004, but it doesn't explain why the gap went back to normal later on. KERS may explain the relatively poor performance of the front row in 2009, but it can't explain why in 2010 and 2011 the second-placed car was less likely to lose positions than the pole-sitter. Perhaps the refueling ban in some way or another contributed to this, as the Pirelli tyres do not seem to have a long-lasting effect.
pob
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Farina was on the entry list for Indy in 1957, his car was wrecked and teammate killed in practice.
Fangio intended to race at Indy in 1958 to try and score points towards the WDC, but he withdrew after being disappointing in practice.
LifeW12
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I know the answer, it was mentioned in a Kyalami broadcast. They mentioned something about long distance sports car races and the lines were used as guides for slower cars moving out of the way.
As for Paul Ricard, that track sucked anyway, so I guess they used them for "decoration"
As for Paul Ricard, that track sucked anyway, so I guess they used them for "decoration"
Incubus
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That would explain it, yes... And they do have endurence racing at the Paul Ricard too. They obviously have the Bol d' Or, although would lane markings be needed for bike racing as well?
Disagree that the Paul-Ricard was a bad track though, at least in its original configuration, with its 1.8k straight, Signes, and the "Verrerie" esses. The latter was a pretty challenging series of corners.
It was certainly better than Magny-Cours anyway, and certainly way better than a lot of tracks on today's calendar...
Disagree that the Paul-Ricard was a bad track though, at least in its original configuration, with its 1.8k straight, Signes, and the "Verrerie" esses. The latter was a pretty challenging series of corners.
It was certainly better than Magny-Cours anyway, and certainly way better than a lot of tracks on today's calendar...
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LifeW12
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Yeah, it did have some challenging corners, but scenery wise, it was a flop. They really killed it with that awful red and blue stripe stuff.
France deserves a race more than probably anywhere, its a shame they couldn't build an exact copy of Istanbul Park near Paris..............................
France deserves a race more than probably anywhere, its a shame they couldn't build an exact copy of Istanbul Park near Paris..............................
I am watching the China WEC and the Pole laptime was 1:48:3, which is 5 seconds quicker than this years Formula 1 Pole time by Lewis Hamilton, do they run the same configuration? Formula 1 could learn some lessons from the WEC, the cars are all very different from each other because of the freedom the engineers have but the performance is close.
2014 Chinese GP Qualifying was run in wet conditions. Full Wets were necessary at some point.
edit - adding Practice times
In P2 Hamilton recorded a 1:38.315.
edit - adding Practice times
In P2 Hamilton recorded a 1:38.315.
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On another thread some put forward the idea that Lewis was making set up changes between Q2 and Q3 and gave it as a possible reason why Nico got more poles, so my question is.
As the cars are under parc ferme conditions upon entering qualifying and stay that way until the end of the race on Sunday surely making major set up changes during qualifying would be breaking the rules and so could not possibly have happened in this case, am I right in believing this or wrong?
As the cars are under parc ferme conditions upon entering qualifying and stay that way until the end of the race on Sunday surely making major set up changes during qualifying would be breaking the rules and so could not possibly have happened in this case, am I right in believing this or wrong?
I don't think there is such a rule, as long as the car complies with the regulations I'm sure it's allowed.
Well at least we won't be all excited about what the car will look like come unveiling day...
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