If you read my first post in this thread, I have Schumacher 5th.So that means you think Schumi is the best driver of all time then right?
For a Senna/Vettel fan, its very easy to talk about poles. Of course, we're not running the Qualifying World Championship. Thats done by me, out of interest, not by the world at large.Senna's poles to race ratio is far superior to anything Schumacher mustered up.
to be fair Senna only had to 'share' wins with Prost for 2 years and if you look at the rest of his team-mates:Senna had to share wins with Prost. Schumacher had weak Number 2 teammates who were contractually obliged to move over if they were ahead.
Yes I rate Prost high...Very High!But if you're using team-mate logic I already listed Prost's - he had to 'share' wins with Lauda, Arnoux and Mansell!
So by your logic Prost is the greatest of all time right?
I'm trying to stay out of this thread, but you could easily throw 1982 in there as well, he had the speed to dominate but Renault lacked - badly lacked - the reliability.Prost could have easily won 8 championships. The 4 he already won, 1983 - he should have, he would have won in 1988 if it wasn't for that ridiculous scoring system, 1990 he could have won also, and 1984, when he lost by half-a-point. Oh, and 51 victories. He is Mr. Consistent. He was in a title fight for 8/11 years. He is up there with Moss and Fangio, and better than Senna and Schumacher.
From here: http://mccabism.blogspot.com/2010/11/best-season-in-formula-1-history.htmlNote that Prost was really sacked in 1983 for sleeping with the wife of team-manager Gerard Larousse!
To Be honest with you I think alonso has taught himself that lesson. His attitude has been spot on this season.Also Prost getting sacked from Ferrari is a lesson that Alonso that could learn for speaking out about the politics
Yes, but lets assume that the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix finished after ¾ distance and there were full points. Lets also assume that both Senna and Bellof had passed Prost (and this is Monaco, so its not a natural assumption).1984 he lost by 0.5pts which some say it was down to the stopped race at Monaco but he was actually struggling at the time being caught by Senna and Bellof
The second race of 1994 Senna went out, but if I remember correctly it wasn't his fault, he was punted from behind by someone. (I think it was a McLaren) And let's not forget, he was trying to drive around the horrible inadequacies of the Williams that had all of it's electronic driver aids removed, despite the fact the car had been totally designed around it.Firstly he wouldn't. Scheckter scored more points overall.
No, Senna was not as consistent. By 1993 he was hardly a pin-up boy for consistency, and don't forget he failed due to driver error in the first two races of 1994.
I only care about points. He finished second in every race that Senna won in 1988. He didn't retire through driver error at any point all season. He didn't bin it when 40 seconds clear of the field at Monaco, for example.
The given reason for this was that Lotus didn't have the money to have two title running contenders in the pack, and wanted the main emphasis of the team to be on him. Not sure how true this isI recall that Prost had almost twice as many fastest race laps as Senna. This could be used to justify the view that Prost was faster when it mattered most--in the race, while Senna was a bit like Trulli--faster in qualifying.
Also, it has to be noted that "fearless" Senna vetoed Lotus hiring Warwick, and insisted on Dumphries instead!
No. It is very clear he couldn't. But points and championships are in general (2008 being a noble exception) decided by who wins the dry races. Prost won 48 of them.One question. Could Prost have done what Senna did at Donnington 93? Could anyone else have?
... which finished one point behind in the Championship in the hands of Damon Hill, and won the WCC without its #1 driver.The second race of 1994 Senna went out, but if I remember correctly it wasn't his fault, he was punted from behind by someone. (I think it was a McLaren) And let's not forget, he was trying to drive around the horrible inadequacies of the Williams that had all of it's electronic driver aids removed, despite the fact the car had been totally designed around it.