also something on Lewis being a very good driver in the wet. sunday was the 1st time since Australia 2010 nearly 9 & 1/2 yrs ago that hamilton finished outside of the top 4 & only 3rd times he had finished outside the podium
We should probably assemble yours and olegg stats into a separate thread called "Rainmasters" (so we can find them again)This is a list of every Wet Race since 2007. with the winner & where Lewis came
Europe/germany 07 - Alonso - Lewis 9th
Japan 07 - Hamilton
China 07 - Raikkonen - Hamilton was leading before infamous DNF
Monaco 08 - Hamilton
British 08 - Hamilton
Belgium 08 - Massa - Hamilton 3rd but won on track
Italy 08 - Vettel - Hamilton 7th
China 08 - Hamilton
Brazil 08 Massa - Hamilton 5th (who could forget)
Malaysia 09 Button - Hamilton 7th
China 09 Vettel - Hamilton 6th
Australia 10 Button - Hamilton 6th
China 10 Button - Hamilton 2nd
Belgium 10 Hamilton
Korea 10 Alonso - Hamilton 2nd
Canada 11 Button - Hamilton DNF
Britain 11 Alonso - Hamilton 4th
Germany 11 Hamilton
hungary 11 Button - Hamilton 4th
Korea 11 Vettel - Hamilton 2nd
Malaysia 12 Alonso - Hamilton 3rd
Brazil 12 Button - Hamilton DNF from lead
Hungary 2014 - Riccardo - Lewis PL > 3rd
This is a very interesting post. Thanks.I think that you're making a very good point, in my view the start of the race was beyond contempt, there wasn't all that water and they even broadcast the radio messages of drivers saying that the conditions were ok and that they should let them race. Sometimes I wonder if the tv production has an anti-F1 agenda or if it is full of masochists
Re F1 cars running on a wet track I think that more than not being designed for those condtions, which is partly true, the most astonishing point IMHO is that despite the fact that the FIA knows that you can't run a modern F1 on a wet track with a dry set up otherwise the car would be undrievable because the car sits too low on the ground and therefore a film of water builds up between the track surface and the bottom of the car (and the tyres become irrelevant), despite all this and despite the fact that this problem has been known for years and has caused many controversies, yet despite all of the above they still haven't changed the park ferme rules to allow the teams to increase the ground clearance of the cas and to let them reduce the front wings. I mean that doesn't look like rocket science, they could allow every team to increase the ground clearance of a set amount and let them decrease front wing at choice, all this could be done in a matter of a few minutes under the close supervision of the stewards and that wouldn't impact on the costs.
With the current aero bias wet races tend to be much more interesting than dry races, the fact that the powers that be refuse to let the cars be set up to run under wet conditions IMHO is utterly nonsensical
Other than that I don't agree with some drivers blaming the slippery surface on the outside of the Motodrom, if you exit the track it's your fault, paying a price for a mistake IMHO is a fair consequence, if similar conditions were available at other traks I believe that the racing would be better
yes i just filled in the rest of hamiltons career but when the F1 stat ran out
What kind of "back" are you talking about if Button didn't even "slow" on that collision?In the Canadian race in 2011 that I saw Hamilton ran into the back of Button. The visibility was so poor Button would have not been able to see any car behind him.
Yes, Button had striking contrasts.yes i just filled in the rest of hamiltons career but when the F1 stat ran out
yes Button was good in rain but he really skill was & why i rank aus above canada was because his feel in changeable conditions was outstanding & his car control afterwards is probably the best F1 has seen. because he could do on dry tyres on wet track what other drivers couldn't. as well races werent their a few pole he got in similar circumstances Belgium 12?
from this we could argue that a smart guy who, although probably not the very best in terms of pure driving but still very capable, with the ability to read the race and keep cool can win a lot of races in changing conditions. Other than that I'd say that in the wet the good drivers stand out, and in fact as the top scorers we have the top 3 drivers of the last decade (Hamilton, Alonso and Vettel). Having a balanced and easy car to drive is also important in the wetWe should probably assemble yours and olegg stats into a separate thread called "Rainmasters" (so we can find them again)
Count of wins:
Suspect you need to call Hamilton and Button both rainmasters. Vettel won a lot of races between 2010-2013, only one is in the rain.
This is a very interesting post. Thanks.
I gather the problem was created with the new qualifying format...where they forbid the cars to be modified or changed after qualifying. Lots of reasons for doing this, although I am still not sold on the new qualifying format. Also, good simple solution is provided to the problem: "...they could allow every team to increase the ground clearance of a set amount and let them decrease front wing at choice, all this could be done in a matter of a few minutes under the close supervision of the stewards and that wouldn't impact on the costs."
Have you considered writing a letter to Todt?
is this qualifying a combo of 2 things ferrari dominance in 01 - 04 & tv figures they want viewers for full hr not last 10 mins. but i like the knockout qualifying i think they stumbled upon the best ideaI'm sure that Todt perfectly knows, the problem seems to be that they don't care which IMHO is actually more worrying than not having enough brainpower to understand things
And you all that is written in Wikipedia perceive as the ultimate truth without
So why, after a few seasons on the same team, Hamilton was ahead of Button in all aspects,
Well, I have never been sold on the current qualifying system. It seems contrived. But, I think making the cars drivable in the rain would be a good thing.I'm sure that Todt perfectly knows, the problem seems to be that they don't care which IMHO is actually more worrying than not having enough brainpower to understand things