Grand Prix 2019 Bahrain Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
What exactly happened to knock both cars out within a few seconds of each other? The commentators speculated that they might have run out of fuel, but I haven't seen any coverage that makes it clear what happened.
Well, it looked to me like Ricciardo had an electrical failure and everything just shut down. Hulkenberg engine was giving out the rather telling swirling smoke trail....so I gather he lost an engine....not that I am an expert on these things.

By the way Aleck, welcome to the forum.
 
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RasputinLives

Doesn't look a bit like Jesus
Contributor
Looked like someone just flicked an off switch on those Renault's. Very odd for both to go on same lap in same place.

Massive Ferrari own goal in a race they should have won at a canter. Have to give props to Hamilton for keeping pressure on them though. Good drive from them.

I was defending Gasly before the race but it was a pretty awful race at what is his best track. However I will differ my view to others and say if they do drop him they should give Alex Albon a shot.

What to say about our friend Charlie? Dominant and supreme and then let down by his tools. Gutted for him.
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Okay this is only race two but my responses to the BBC on the following were

Who will be the worst driver this season - I went for Giovinazzi or Stroll .

-Giovinazzi he's been in the Ferrari simulator and clocked a lot of hours but he has not been on Kimi's pace which is surprising given Kimi is getting older and slower it has to be said . He was the only Ferrari powered car that did not get into Q3. Like I said Ferrari have lined up Schumacher Jnr and Illott potentially to take over so he really needs to do better

- Stroll . Okay he got two pts in Melbourne but his quali is poor and he tangled with Grosjean when he can see him in front at the start and messed his whole race . He is not a rookie anymore

Who will be surprise of the season - Norris

Two Q3's , he needs to work on his starts but 6th is a brilliant result for him. Mclaren are definitely going to be up there battling Haas in the midfield.

I think Mclaren need to make sure they keep hold of him .. Vandoorne and Alonso must be sick at seeing where Mclaren are to 12 months ago

Disappointment - Williams

I am afraid they won;t improve any sooner so they will be bringing up the rear
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
Gasly - he's had two poor races not helped by bad luck and poor team decisions on Saturday but make no mistake he is under pressure

52 seconds down on Verstappen and he only finished 4 seconds ahead of Albon who is proving to be very rapid and Ticktum is also waiting in the wings

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Vettel - what can you say that was a clumsy spin:facepalm:his position at Ferrari might end up:teary:. The Ferrari team are already showing a lot of love for LeClerc. He has to bounce back in China because today would have been a crushing defeat were it not for the MGHU problem for LeClerc. Those 10 pts lost for LeClerc could be huge on the team dynamics

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Bottas - he was aggressive earlier but that was about it . Hamilton out drove him especially during the pit stop windows

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An interesting development Toto Wolff admitted he does not like fastest lap being awarded in the risk that drivers would blow the engine or crash. So I am not sure that message Bottas meant in the last race was aimed at Toto - watch this space
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
I sincerely believe that this race will be the one that tips Ferrari to drop Vettel. We’ve seen before that Vettel collapses when he is challenged by a teammate - I would not be surprised to see Ricciardo have his Renault contract bought out for 2020.
for me if so they are going to try to get hamilton or verstappen
 

Il_leone

Champion Elect
F1Brits_90 Publius Cornelius Scipio We need to get snippets of the Italian press tomorrow to find out if its a repeat of Monza where they slaughtered Ferrari and Vettel for lacking leadership and praised Hamilton for being a real racer

For me Verstappen probably is not going to get the Ferrari drive now because they already have LeClerc and love him and want Schumacher Jnr as a successor so if its anyone its got be Hamilton with maybe Ricciardo as the fall back option
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
they love hamilton & hamilton wants to have driven for ferrari. so certainly 1st choice. also you make a great point it gives mick Schumacher years to develop
 

220

Test Driver
What exactly happened to knock both cars out within a few seconds of each other? The commentators speculated that they might have run out of fuel, but I haven't seen any coverage that makes it clear what happened.
Both stopping at almost the same place an time actually made me think how hard would it be for someone with the skills to hack and shut down a F1 car.
 

Ruslan

Podium Finisher
Both stopping at almost the same place an time actually made me think how hard would it be for someone with the skills to hack and shut down a F1 car.
The Saudis did it (or was it the Russians) !!!
 

220

Test Driver
LOL
Like I said not something I had ever considered but given it has been done with road cars one would think it would have to have been tried in F1.
Follow the money, who are the biggest gamblers on F1
 

Radical F1

Test Driver
2021 Drives
Yeah, I know it is way too early to predict but I can't help it...My apologies

Ferrari - LeClerc , Schumi Jnr ?
Merc - Hamilton , Ocon?
RB - Max Verstappen, KVyat,? Albon?
There rest of the team, not sure
 

Greenlantern101

Super Hero And All Round Good Guy
Contributor
So the fake excitement over the fastest lap point lasted exactly 1 race.

Nobody tried to get a fastest lap at the end of the race. It wasn't even mentioned on radio or by the commentators other than 'oh Yeh Leclerc has the fastest lap'

I hate gimmicks.
 
what an odd race, eventful but somehow tainted by the tyres and DRS. The tyres were hopeless and the DRS irrelevant as they could overtake even without it, and when when they didn't go for push button overtakes the action was rather good. anyway

Hamilton - he drove well, I wouldn't say as far as saying that he was the driver of the day because his car looked much more balanced than the Ferraris and in windy condtiions and on a dusty track that certainly helped him, having said that he seems to be at a stage in his career when he makes no mistakes and that is good

bottas - a bit sad, he was way off his team mate's pace

Leclerc - what a pity, IMHO he deserved to win, he drove very well, his car seemed to be less affected by tail wind than Vettel's and the fact that he seems to be running with a set up less biased on the front meant that even if he was sliding around quite a lot he didn't compromise his speed and didn't ruin his tyres. The fact that he lost it at the start makes me like him even more because he comes across as a functioning human being (unlike, say, Verstappen)

Verstappen - he was his usual self, ie not very sporty, his car didn't seem to have much speed but I'd say that I was expecting a bit more of him. The fact that he still races drivers who want to unlap themselves seems to suggest that he's not as smart as other top drivers

Vettel - wow, what happened? let's admit for a second that his set up wasn't ideal for the conditions, let's admit that being behind the timing of his pit stop wasn't great, but how could he make such a mistake? I was amazed. People say that he needs to feel loved by his team, if that is the case then Ferrari is not his ideal team, I think that they respect him but he's not a ruling dictator like Hamilton is at Mercedes, Ferrari are giving Leclerc a fair chance (and that's fair enough). I think that mistakes like yesterday's hurt

Norris - he did well, I'm glad that McLaren are fighting back, IMHO Sainz looked much better in the first few laps but there you go. Norris is certainly a very good driver

Raikkonen - that Sauber looks like a very sorted package, I don't think that Kimi did anything extraordinary, he drove well and didn't make mistakes, my feeling is that there was a little bit more to get out of that car

The Renaults - IMHO both drivers drove well, ok Ricciardo went a bit wide when defending from his team mate but with tail wind and a dusty track that can happen (and in effect many drivers missed the apex at that corner), it's amazing that they both managed to have to stop their cars at the same corner on the same lap

Ferrari - not quite there yet, Vettel's car looked very difficult to drive, Leclerc's one was all over the place, this time Ferrari's speed was all down to their engine, pity Leclerc's engine didn't last. I fear that it's going to be a painful season for Ferrari
 
F1Brits_90 Publius Cornelius Scipio We need to get snippets of the Italian press tomorrow to find out if its a repeat of Monza where they slaughtered Ferrari and Vettel for lacking leadership and praised Hamilton for being a real racer

For me Verstappen probably is not going to get the Ferrari drive now because they already have LeClerc and love him and want Schumacher Jnr as a successor so if its anyone its got be Hamilton with maybe Ricciardo as the fall back option
It hasn't started yet, no one seems to be asking for Vettel's sacking. I don't think that Schumacher Jnr will be in a position to move into Ferrari anywhere soon, the pressure would be too much for him, if he does well (and Giovinazzi keeps on underperforming) he might have a chance at Sauber, even if I would assume that wehrlein is the first in the queu for that Sauber's seat
 

Angel

Pole Sitter
Contributor
I did that but I can't sleep anymore after I was devastated with LeClerc mishap.
I slept 4:00AM and sleepy at work now :givemestrength:
Oh dear Radical F1 I hope you recover soon. I recorded the race and watched it back this morning, I wished I hadn't now :teary: Poor Leclerc and what was going on with Vettel AGAIN?

It wasn't just the two Renault drivers that broke down, Sainz went out in he Renault powered McLaren on the same lap.
It was like the engines had a suicide pact or something. As I said in the other thread, Norris was lucky to finish given that. He drove well again. Oh and Kimi in the Alfa looked pretty racey for a while there too.
 

RasputinLives

Doesn't look a bit like Jesus
Contributor
Wasn't Sainz going out one of those cases of "the car has broke honest guv" as he was as running last and retiring means they can make changes to the car without penalty at the next GP?
 
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