Grand Prix 2018 Italian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

MONZA.
The Autodromo Nazionale Monza. "The Temple of Speed." I suspect the second name is the Tifosi name for Monza. But with very good reason. It was built for speed, it was incredibly fast, and they have been slowing it down since 1933.
It was built in 1922, financed by the Milan Automobile Club. What they built for their fast circuit, was a banked oval linked to a road circuit. Obviously the racing car of the day that was slung off the oval onto the road section produced high speeds and spectacular viewing. We can only dream what that would look like with a modern F1 car. BUT .. by 1932 it had killed 9 drivers and 27 spectators. Obviously even the most fanatical speed merchant realised that things had to change.They stopped using the oval, introduced the Lesmo curves on the road section and started to introduce stands for the spectators. But then WW11 intervened , and all racing stopped at Monza.

Post war the circuit was totally revamped, and for whatever reason they reintroduced the high speed banked oval. The circuit was fully operational by 1955, and by now it was used by F1. Races were won by the likes of Moss, Hill, Fangio and Brooks. But in 1961 the racing driver Von Tripp and 15 spectators all died in one crash, and F1 abandoned the use of the oval, using only the road circuit. The oval was finally abandoned for all racing in 1969.
However the road circuit itself was still incredibly fast, and in the 1970's the first chicanes were introduced, the Variant del Rettifilo and the Variant Ascari, neither of which had the required effect. In the next few years the efforts to slow the circuit down as the cars got faster, introduced us to the, Vialone, Curve Grande and the della Reggia. All very familiar to us in 2018, but by now 48 years old. Most of them have been altered a little, moved slightly, generally messed around with, and a few more added for good luck, the curve del Serraglio and the Parabolica. Listen to the race commentary you'll hear most of them tripping of someones tongue.
But it remains a fast circuit, not nearly as fast as it once was. The old Oval is gently rotting in the trees behind todays' circuit, perhaps that's where the "The Temple of Speed" is. Todays modern circuit is a "Temple to the Tifosi" (my quote). It's still suited to cars that can go flat out, at high speed, and not fall apart, and we all know who they are. So all those curves and variants have been designed in such a way as to apply the letter of the law without adhering to it. Very Italian.
I'm obviously putting this up before we know what happened at Spa, as we only have a few days before the next round of PQR, and before we know the full outcome of the driver moveathon. Whatever has happened I hope it will throw up some interesting discussion. Most of all, I really hope that Monza and it's history plus the mad Tifosi will give us a good race.
 
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I was saying to Ferrari supporting friend yesterday whats the point of Ferrari even wasting money on kimi, they treat him like an inconvenience. he says he's a typical no2 like bottas. but I said that bottas if the chance arose would be allowed to take pole or a win. Ferrari have proven on many occaision would rather finish 2nd & 3rd with vettel ahead than Kimi winning a Ferrari 1-2

You were saying about Bottas?:

Wolff hints at 'wingman' role for Bottas - Pitpass.com
 
Ferrari can afford Kimi as long as they have a established #1 but I agree that they are so focused on winning the driver's championship, they don't care what happens with Kimi (and therefore the constructors championship).
 
If that rain cloud could just nudge along to Sunday that would be grand.

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It’s a shame to turn Bottas into a wing man, technically he’s a great driver, but he doesn’t appear to have the fire. Mostly F1 winners are prepared to be ruthless, take risks and become unpopular. Bottas wants to win, fair and square, he’ll back off rather than upset another driver. He’s just Mr. nice guy, dull to watch as a racing driver. Just my opinion of course.
 
Latest Hamilton interview he states that Ferrari's advantage is on acceleration out of slow corners, so he figures they will be closer at Monza. He said the area when Ferrari will has an advantage is the acceleration after the first chicane.

Hamilton expects Mercedes to be more competitive in Monza

If this is true, this does put the Ferrari ahead at a number of the other races also. It also indicates that their advantage is due to something other than just raw horsepower.
 
Ferrari are no doubt benefiting from their partnerships with Haas and Sauber. I think they all are using the same engines whereas Mercedes customers are one spec behind

So to me its clear that Ferrari can gain knowledge about their engine performance more easily than Merc
 
Just seen a video about Marco Apicella who had possibly the shortest F1 career in history in his sole sole outing at the 1993 Italian Grand Prix. He took over the Jordan seat having only had 2 hours testing prior, spun off in nearly every session, qualified 23rd and got 800m in the race before a collision broke the steering arm. He was then replaced for next round and never returned.

I can possibly think of some that DNQ'd (Mr Ecclestone) that could be considered shorter but can anyone think of anyone who actually qualified that had shorter?
 
The only driver I can find who came close was Andre Lotterer who raced once for Caterham at the 2014 Belgian GP and retired on the first lap.

Given that it was the modern qually format and he went out in Q1 it means he only completed about 3 competitive laps in the whole of his F1 career.
 
I know he never raced but he did have a contract, Luiz Razia got announced in the 2nd marussia after performing well & finishing runner up in GP2. did 2 pre season days but in between test 1 & test 2. the sponsor money never turned up so he was dumped for someone one else to never return
 
I sit writing this in an apartment in Bergamo and will be off to watch FP3 and the qualifying tomorrow. I'm hoping the rain will come as I've always wanted to watch F1 cars doing their stuff in the wet and it may well lead to a mixed up grid. Didn't fancy going to watch Friday practice as we were all knackered after traveling over on Thursday, after a very early start, so missed Ericsson doing his roly poly tricks. Ho hum, should be fun in the wet on Saturday, I'll give you all a wave.
 
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