Spinodontosaurus you are very good with stats and trends that much is obvious. Can I just re-ask though - did you actually watch the GP2 in 2014 and see Palmer's performance or are you just going off his career stats?
Things ... 2015 - 2016 Silly Season. The Drivers Market.
Spinodontosaurus
Points Scorer
I watched some races, not all, GP2 isn't all that interesting to me for whatever reason. But my point is that he took so long to reach that kind of performance that his F1 prospects are not good.
Il_leone
World Champion
I actually think a bit of development for Jolyon is very useful. I take the point him and Nasr were teammates and Nasr outscored him in 2013 but you overlook the fact that Nasr stayed with the same team for 2014 and Palmer went to Dams and used his experience and beat Nasr to the the title
It is shown simply thrusting someone who's hot prospect from Gp2 or F3.5 does not mean they are going to hit off straight away. Verstappen on his part is still very immature despite all his speed and bravery compared to his teammate Sainz who's 2 years older
I think it is also unfair to say Jolyon took so long to reach that kind of performance.. when in fact his first two seasons in Gp2 were with teams who have not been front runners for a while in the series. The one thing missing from Jolyon was consistency because he showed he can win races but was not as consistent in his early years
It is shown simply thrusting someone who's hot prospect from Gp2 or F3.5 does not mean they are going to hit off straight away. Verstappen on his part is still very immature despite all his speed and bravery compared to his teammate Sainz who's 2 years older
I think it is also unfair to say Jolyon took so long to reach that kind of performance.. when in fact his first two seasons in Gp2 were with teams who have not been front runners for a while in the series. The one thing missing from Jolyon was consistency because he showed he can win races but was not as consistent in his early years
So you didn't watch and are judging him on the stats? Ok. Well thanks for playing.
F1Brits_90
World Champion
woke up to find out that Esteban Gutierrez has joined Haas F1, which just makes me remind me of this as it probally how journalists reacted (but obviously rachels not pregnant 
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'thanks for all your support'
What? Who's supporting you?
Miss Piggy, Gonzo, Fozzy Bear....
You know the French eat frogs...
Supper for Grosjean.
Supper for Grosjean.
I presume Gutierrez brings a large suitcase of dollars with him as well as keeping Ferrari happy on the engine side of things. Ecclestone must have been acting as an adviser to the team, although I don't think Romain Grosjean is in the same league as Nelson Piquet.
Olivier
Race Winner
His tweeter followers? Although most of them are journos that were patiently waiting for the "breaking news" ...
Surprisingly Gutierrez has never had any major backers as an individual. His Mexican nationality brings in sponsors but he himself comes with very little backing. The reason he landed the Sauber drive was because Telmex had a clause saying that Sauber must run a Mexican driver. When Perez left that didn't leave them with much option. He was also the only driver not mixed up in the 'sueing Sauber' thing earlier in the year because he didn't give them any funds.
He landed the Ferrari test drive pretty quick when he was dropped from Sauber so somewhere someone in the background rates his skills. Personally I think he might be considered this generations Pedro De La Rosa - great at developing a car, not so great at racing it.
Il_leone
World Champion
As for silly season concerned with the situation at Mercedes getting tense now there is suggestion Max Verstappen would be high on the wanted list?
Mercedes do like promoting their own young drivers so someone will have to overrule Toto who seem to back Wehrlein to go for Mad Max
Mercedes do like promoting their own young drivers so someone will have to overrule Toto who seem to back Wehrlein to go for Mad Max
Can you name a time recently when Merc have promoted one of their young drivers?
Il_leone
World Champion
RasputinLives Not since they've returned to F1 but before Mercedes were run by Norbert Haug who helped Di Resta get a seat at Force India but once he quit there was less support for Di Resta
When they returned to F1 the board were keen for German champion in a Merc and you could say hiring Schumacher fitted the bill given he was one of their young drivers even though it was 20 years too late
BUT when that did not work they needed a world class driver to replace him and only Hamilton fit the bill.
It appears Toto is very keen to promote Wehrlein first to go to Manor before promoting to the factory team so it will show if he does have leverage or will be overruled by Lauda if Verstappen is supposedly a serious option
When they returned to F1 the board were keen for German champion in a Merc and you could say hiring Schumacher fitted the bill given he was one of their young drivers even though it was 20 years too late
BUT when that did not work they needed a world class driver to replace him and only Hamilton fit the bill.
It appears Toto is very keen to promote Wehrlein first to go to Manor before promoting to the factory team so it will show if he does have leverage or will be overruled by Lauda if Verstappen is supposedly a serious option
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Il_leone
World Champion
F1 news: Haas F1 wanted Kevin Magnussen for 2016 had Grosjean declined offer
Does not sound like K Mag will be in F1 seeing he is looking mainly outside for 2016
Does not sound like K Mag will be in F1 seeing he is looking mainly outside for 2016
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