Grand Prix 2012 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Racking up the air miles now

Going into the third race of the 2012 season and it is still unclear where everyone lies in true race pace over a normal dry race without the intervention of a safety car apart from that McLaren have done the best job of the teams with Red Bull and Mercedes not too far apart but Mercedes seem to be struggling with higher levels of tyre degradation compared to the other front runners.

Despite all the highly publicised problems at Ferrari, Fernando Alonso currently leads the Championship after a 5th place in Australia and an against the odds victory in Malaysia where the rain early on managed to put Alonso in the lead when the others struggled. However this doesn't mean things are rosy in Maranello as when the track dried up Alonso started to fall back and was being hunted down by none other than Sergio Perez in the Sauber who was closing in rapidly on the Spaniard only to make a minor mistake with a couple of laps to go which ruined his chances of a maiden victory, but he was understandably delighted to finish in second place. Lewis Hamilton showed that he is a more rounded driver than he was in 2011 with a second consecutive third place showing he has the maturity to make the best of a bad job when circumstances were against him when he was caught out by the pit stops (like he was in Australia) to not make any mistakes and bring the car home in third place for 15 points which could be crucial at the end of the season.

On the other hand, team mate Jenson Button had a characteristically poor race after running second early on, but after outbraking himself he broke his front wing trying to overtake an HRT who was running there on position after an early gamble for wets paid off as when the red flag fell, Narain was running in 10th place which shocked fans worldwide. The red flag was also (im)famous for the introduction of gazebos all down the grid, something previously pioneered by Mercedes in Canada last season.

2012 has seen (so far) probably one of the most competitive midfields in many seasons with Force India, Sauber, Williams and Toro Rosso all pushing the top teams for points and Sauber have already claimed a podium through Perez and it could be said that on pure one lap pace, most of these teams are as quick as if not faster than Ferrari, certainly faster than Felipe Massa who is really coming under pressure for his seat after 2 mediocre performances so far while Alonso continued to drag the car to places where it shouldn't really be.

Looking ahead to China and it has been a track which has favoured McLaren in recent years with Lewis Hamilton winning in 2008 and 2011 and Jenson Button winning in the rain affected 2010 race. Hamilton should have won in 2007 but famously threw it away in the pitlane after running wide on very used tyres when he was in a position to win the Championship, something with now Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen took advantage of to win the race and eventually steal the Championship in Brazil.

China will also be an importunity to be the first true comparison of Sky and BBC as it is the first race that will be shown live on BBC and it will certainly be very interesting to see where the two broadcasters shape up over a full race weekend and it will show to people in their own minds which one is better and it is pretty clear that it certainly won't be a clear cut thing and will be down more to personal preference than the overall package compared to the other.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/shanghai-international-circuit/
 
I think that Lewis Hamilton was classified as having Pole Position in the 2007 Hungarian GP.

that is my point if Alonso gets pole but has a penalty applied and Hamilton starts from pole officially before the lights in the pole position spot then I would have thought he is classified as pole man
 
that is my point if Alonso gets pole but has a penalty applied and Hamilton starts from pole officially before the lights in the pole position spot then I would have thought he is classified as pole man

If you'd read the explanations given, you'd have known that with penalties for a technical reason the time/position a driver set in qualifying is recorded as his final position but when it's due to something a driver did (as in Alonso's case) his final position will be the one where he starts from after the penalty is applied.
Pèrez, for example, is classified as 17th in the Australian qualifying while his final grid slot was 22nd because of a gear box change.

Sorry for the off-topicness...
 
If anyone can confirm the official FIA record who is recorded as pole for HUngary 2007 then I will agree with that
This good enough?

2007-hungary-pole.webp


Any chance of getting the thread back on topic now?
 

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So. Who's staying up/getting up early for Friday practice? Will be interesting to see if James Allen has improved in his commentary skills (they can only get better). If the race remains dry, provided they have sorted out their tyre temperature issues, Mercedes could be right up with the front runners (and possibly be in contention for a win) this weekend, especially with a 1.2 km straight. If it's wet...... who knows.
 
Arggg...gutted to see Lewis pick up a grid penalty before the cars have even hit the track, but it is a good opportunity for him to show his maturity. I'd still like him to be the fastest in quali and then he can show his overtaking skills at this circuit once again, after much criticism last year. 90 minutes till FP1.
 
I was enjoying Jaime Alguersuari comentary on 5 live. Some real insights. Hopefully see him back in a car next year and not just for testing tyres. A real asset to a team, seems very knowledgable.

Looking good for Mclaren and Mercedes I guess the double DRS on the merc is a big advantage in qually with such long straights. Could be mac and merc fighting for pole tomorrow.
 
Schumi fastest in P2, but all down to 3rd sector where their double DRS will work most in favour.

Reckon we'll have to wait 'til Sunday to see what they can do in race with only half the long straight available for using it.

Hammy and Vettel both close but Renault Lotus and Ferrari well behind - Alonso 10th behind Kobayashi and both Force Indias :givemestrength:
...... and everybody within 7%. :snigger:
 
So judging by practice times its business as usual apart from the Lotus looking strangely off pace - I wonder if that will change for quali.

Mercs are quick but we see them fade away in the race so it looks like its between those Red Bull and Macs again. Be interesting to see what strategy Lewis goes for in quali - whether he saves himself a set of tyres so he has extra rubber to cut through the field or whether he goes for getting as far oup the field as he can in the hope a good start would put him up in the mix anyways.
 
I think if Mercedes are going to get Pole this season, this would be one of their best opportunities. With Lewis out of the frame, could we see Schumi or Rosberg on pole. Big opportunity for Button too, to end his run without one.
 
I think if Mercedes are going to get Pole this season, this would be one of their best opportunities. With Lewis out of the frame, could we see Schumi or Rosberg on pole. Big opportunity for Button too, to end his run without one.

Rosberg needs a good quali session after messing up the last 2 but I can't see them landing the pole spot. Button was actually in front of Lewis here last year and on pole here in 09 so he obviously likes the track. Can't help but think that after his 4 weeks of press hassle and with Hamilton out the way we might see Mr Vettel sneak a pole tomorrow.
 
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