Grand Prix 2012 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Racking up the air miles now

Going into the third race of the 2012 season and it is still unclear where everyone lies in true race pace over a normal dry race without the intervention of a safety car apart from that McLaren have done the best job of the teams with Red Bull and Mercedes not too far apart but Mercedes seem to be struggling with higher levels of tyre degradation compared to the other front runners.

Despite all the highly publicised problems at Ferrari, Fernando Alonso currently leads the Championship after a 5th place in Australia and an against the odds victory in Malaysia where the rain early on managed to put Alonso in the lead when the others struggled. However this doesn't mean things are rosy in Maranello as when the track dried up Alonso started to fall back and was being hunted down by none other than Sergio Perez in the Sauber who was closing in rapidly on the Spaniard only to make a minor mistake with a couple of laps to go which ruined his chances of a maiden victory, but he was understandably delighted to finish in second place. Lewis Hamilton showed that he is a more rounded driver than he was in 2011 with a second consecutive third place showing he has the maturity to make the best of a bad job when circumstances were against him when he was caught out by the pit stops (like he was in Australia) to not make any mistakes and bring the car home in third place for 15 points which could be crucial at the end of the season.

On the other hand, team mate Jenson Button had a characteristically poor race after running second early on, but after outbraking himself he broke his front wing trying to overtake an HRT who was running there on position after an early gamble for wets paid off as when the red flag fell, Narain was running in 10th place which shocked fans worldwide. The red flag was also (im)famous for the introduction of gazebos all down the grid, something previously pioneered by Mercedes in Canada last season.

2012 has seen (so far) probably one of the most competitive midfields in many seasons with Force India, Sauber, Williams and Toro Rosso all pushing the top teams for points and Sauber have already claimed a podium through Perez and it could be said that on pure one lap pace, most of these teams are as quick as if not faster than Ferrari, certainly faster than Felipe Massa who is really coming under pressure for his seat after 2 mediocre performances so far while Alonso continued to drag the car to places where it shouldn't really be.

Looking ahead to China and it has been a track which has favoured McLaren in recent years with Lewis Hamilton winning in 2008 and 2011 and Jenson Button winning in the rain affected 2010 race. Hamilton should have won in 2007 but famously threw it away in the pitlane after running wide on very used tyres when he was in a position to win the Championship, something with now Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen took advantage of to win the race and eventually steal the Championship in Brazil.

China will also be an importunity to be the first true comparison of Sky and BBC as it is the first race that will be shown live on BBC and it will certainly be very interesting to see where the two broadcasters shape up over a full race weekend and it will show to people in their own minds which one is better and it is pretty clear that it certainly won't be a clear cut thing and will be down more to personal preference than the overall package compared to the other.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/shanghai-international-circuit/
 
I usually go for the Weather Channel. Currently says Saturday is going to be cloudy and fine. In fact it has the least chance of rain of any day for the next 10 so they're pretty sure we'll get a dry quali. Says AM showers on Sunday so whilst it looks like a dry race it seems all the rubber and what not will be washed off the track before race starts and as we have no GP2 this weekend it could mean its a pretty green track to begin with.

Not sure who's hands that plays into. The only thing I know is that Alonso will be doing a rain dance right now
 
So who is going to start on pole? With my favourite Hamilton out, Jenson Button could have his first Mclaren pole, Nico Rosberg could have his first ever pole, but Michael Schumacher who was about a tenth out at Malaysia could be there for number 69. Romain Grosjean was strong in Oz and Raikkonen has only got to 5th (before grid drop) so it's anyones guess, but don't rule out Red Bull, Vettel and Webber would both like a shout at it!
 
Well technically Hamilton would still have a pole position to his name, he just wouldn't start on pole. I bet the other drivers are happy, if you're driving a McLaren, Red Bull, Lotus or Mercedes you have a good chance of moving up one grid slot.
 
Well technically Hamilton would still have a pole position to his name, he just wouldn't start on pole. I bet the other drivers are happy, if you're driving a McLaren, Red Bull, Lotus or Mercedes you have a good chance of moving up one grid slot.
Yeah I got that! I've edited it to start instead of be!
 
Schumi vs Kimi! just like the old days eh! Nico vs Romain, the new kids, that will be worth watching!
Also predict your strategy, last years winner, Lewis Hamilton, finished on a 3 stop and saved those new tyres he was so proud of, however second placed Vettel was on a 2 stop http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/race-strategy-calculator/
Edit: Managed to beat James' strategy, stops on Lap 16, used options, Lap 37, new options and Lap 46, new primes about 6/8 seconds quicker than James'
 
So possibly a green track for Sunday. Would it be worth trying to start on the harder tyre as the softer will have a faster wear rate due to the abrasive nature of a green track?
 
That would be for the lower cars though, and aren't the softs easier to heat up? So on a cold track that could help or have i got it the wrong way?
 
the amusement of the paddock is that Vettel was given a gherkin by the German Media in reference to his comments about Narain last race
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So possibly a green track for Sunday. Would it be worth trying to start on the harder tyre as the softer will have a faster wear rate due to the abrasive nature of a green track?

I bet we see a few try it - especially after Hamilton's and Webber's grandstand finishes on the soft last year. If that DRS zone works as well as it did last year then for once maybe track position isn't as important and a late charge might be the way to go.

I shall be interested in quali to see if anyone's trying to save sets of tyres after what happened with Webber last year although it seems to be less of an advantage this year.
 
Could someone answer a question for me. I'm just wondering if Hamilton does qualify on pole, but then takes his 5 place grid penalty will it still count as an official pole for him in the records of number of poles he has, etc. Also, will he still go into the top 3 drivers press conference after?
 
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Could someone answer a question for me. I'm just wondering if Hamilton does qualify on pole, but then takes his 5 place grid penalty will it still count as an official pole for him in the records of number of poles he has, etc. Also, will he still go into the top 3 drivers press conference after?
Yes and yes.
 
Hang on (at the risk of opening more controversy) If a driver gets pole position then gets a grid penalty but the pole still counts as his own. Why does Hungary 2007 count as Hamiltons pole?
 
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