Grand Prix 2012 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Racking up the air miles now

Going into the third race of the 2012 season and it is still unclear where everyone lies in true race pace over a normal dry race without the intervention of a safety car apart from that McLaren have done the best job of the teams with Red Bull and Mercedes not too far apart but Mercedes seem to be struggling with higher levels of tyre degradation compared to the other front runners.

Despite all the highly publicised problems at Ferrari, Fernando Alonso currently leads the Championship after a 5th place in Australia and an against the odds victory in Malaysia where the rain early on managed to put Alonso in the lead when the others struggled. However this doesn't mean things are rosy in Maranello as when the track dried up Alonso started to fall back and was being hunted down by none other than Sergio Perez in the Sauber who was closing in rapidly on the Spaniard only to make a minor mistake with a couple of laps to go which ruined his chances of a maiden victory, but he was understandably delighted to finish in second place. Lewis Hamilton showed that he is a more rounded driver than he was in 2011 with a second consecutive third place showing he has the maturity to make the best of a bad job when circumstances were against him when he was caught out by the pit stops (like he was in Australia) to not make any mistakes and bring the car home in third place for 15 points which could be crucial at the end of the season.

On the other hand, team mate Jenson Button had a characteristically poor race after running second early on, but after outbraking himself he broke his front wing trying to overtake an HRT who was running there on position after an early gamble for wets paid off as when the red flag fell, Narain was running in 10th place which shocked fans worldwide. The red flag was also (im)famous for the introduction of gazebos all down the grid, something previously pioneered by Mercedes in Canada last season.

2012 has seen (so far) probably one of the most competitive midfields in many seasons with Force India, Sauber, Williams and Toro Rosso all pushing the top teams for points and Sauber have already claimed a podium through Perez and it could be said that on pure one lap pace, most of these teams are as quick as if not faster than Ferrari, certainly faster than Felipe Massa who is really coming under pressure for his seat after 2 mediocre performances so far while Alonso continued to drag the car to places where it shouldn't really be.

Looking ahead to China and it has been a track which has favoured McLaren in recent years with Lewis Hamilton winning in 2008 and 2011 and Jenson Button winning in the rain affected 2010 race. Hamilton should have won in 2007 but famously threw it away in the pitlane after running wide on very used tyres when he was in a position to win the Championship, something with now Lotus driver Kimi Raikkonen took advantage of to win the race and eventually steal the Championship in Brazil.

China will also be an importunity to be the first true comparison of Sky and BBC as it is the first race that will be shown live on BBC and it will certainly be very interesting to see where the two broadcasters shape up over a full race weekend and it will show to people in their own minds which one is better and it is pretty clear that it certainly won't be a clear cut thing and will be down more to personal preference than the overall package compared to the other.

For Galahad's brilliant circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/shanghai-international-circuit/
 
I think the point I was making is that judging on the last couple of grids he's more likely to be holding up someone like Lewis trying to come back through the field - hence the mention of Monza - although it would beinteresting to see what would happen if its Schumi's Merc rather than Rosberg's Merc that took the lead of the Grand Prix. I get the feeling something might wake up in the Kaiser and he might suddenly be quicker than we expected

Quite possibly. You can only drive as fast as your car will allow and ragging it is only likely to add to their tyre woes, though.

I would prefer to see them both on the front row than splitting the true race contenders which couldpotentially deny us a good race. They may, however, have got past these issues which could make them valid contenders in their own right.
 
Rosberg needs a good quali session after messing up the last 2 but I can't see them landing the pole spot. Button was actually in front of Lewis here last year and on pole here in 09 so he obviously likes the track. Can't help but think that after his 4 weeks of press hassle and with Hamilton out the way we might see Mr Vettel sneak a pole tomorrow.


didnt lewis save a set of tyres in china last year which hurt his quali performance slightly?
 
Apologies if it's been mentioned before but what are peoples opinions on Seb changing his exhaust for this race. Is it a knee jerk reaction to not being up the front or a fundamental flaw with the design he doesn't like?

Webber seems comfy with it, it just seems a bit strange to me because surely you'd have to have two separate rear bodywork sections to accommodate the different designs?

*May be a separate topic - but I have to go out*
 
I don't think it's much different to Lewis and Heikki having different wheelbases mid-2009 or Lewis and Jenson's drastically different setups in Monza 2010.
 
didnt lewis save a set of tyres in china last year which hurt his quali performance slightly?
Yep. The most impressive tactical race I have ever seen from Lewis. That whole weekend will go down as one of his masterpieces, without wanting to sound overzealous.
 
Unfairly so if thats the case. Nothing wrong with his Monza driving. I know they ranted about 'blocking' on the British commentary but I don't think it was mentioned anywhere else. If it had been anyone else but Michael Schumacher we would have been talking about a great defensive drive.

But lets not get off topic eh?



Have they not got DRS this year? confused. Yes last year they didn't ahve their own way its true but if we go back to 2009 it was the one track the Red Bull could compete with the double diffusor of the Brawn so they'be had mixed runnings on the track.

They certainly look closer to the Mclarens in practice than they've looked all season but we shall see.

Their only hope is to get pole and disappear because the car in dirty air is no good and can;t overtake or struggles with slower straightline speed. Its going to have more problems getting past Mercedes if its stuck behind one
 
People are going on about the race pace (Lack of.) of the Merc's yet I don't see how you can possibly judge it as they haven't had a clean race yet.

It's fairly evident from what we have seen. Thier race pace has been shoddy in long runs in practice too, which we have seen much of.
 
Looks to me that McLaren have the long-run pace over everyone else again. It also looks very nimble, in spite of all the lockings-up. I'll be looking forward to using my new iPad during quali & the race for timings, on boards and driver-tracking too :thumbsup:
...oh, and while I'm at it, a Button pole wouldn't go amiss! ;)
 
It never fails to amaze me how some people are so partisan in their support of a driver, at the beginning of FP1 somebody tweeted in saying they should do away with the 5 place grid penalty for the changing of a gearbox as it was unfair on Lewis.

Not unfair on all the drivers just Lewis! where was this person when other drives have taken the same penalty?
 
Looks to me that McLaren have the long-run pace over everyone else again. It also looks very nimble, in spite of all the lockings-up. I'll be looking forward to using my new iPad during quali & the race for timings, on boards and driver-tracking too :thumbsup:
...oh, and while I'm at it, a Button pole wouldn't go amiss! ;)
We've seen two races one where schumacher's car broke and another where Schumacher was taken out and the weather was bad.

From what I saw in FP2 the race pace wasn't that bad...
 
It's the apparently very narrow window of tyre performance that Mercedes can access that seems to be hurting them, Meph. There's very little amiss with their one-lap pace (at least in the Schumeister's paws).
 
Thought so.

Thier tyre issues and lack of long-run race-pace have been so obvious that I haven't bothered to keep track of the evidence and probably won't bother looking back.
 
Who thought that Bernie was just plain rude to that lady reporter? I didn't think it was a stupid question...
It was a bit of a silly question...a bit like asking Christian Horner if he would be at the race. Anyway, on the subject of Bahrain, it seems that he was rude to all media.
 
Who thought that Bernie was just plain rude to that lady reporter? I didn't think it was a stupid question...

Who knows? Maybe they will have a good weekend but they are not posturing or talking positively about having resolved thier issues. In fact, they sound rather pessimistic.
 
It was a bit of a silly question...a bit like asking Christian Horner if he would be at the race. Anyway, on the subject of Bahrain, it seems that he was rude to all media.
In Bernie-world, I suspect he's rather fed up with having to field all the questions about Bahrain full-stop. In the dictator's mind, it's all been sorted and that's an end to it- anything else is just non-essential foolishness, as far as he's concerned...
 
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