Grand Prix 2011 German Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's turning out to be a strange old season

Mixed conditions and poor pit stops paved the way to an enthralling race, while it had one of the lowest overtaking figures of the year, it certainly showed that overtaking isn't the be all and end all of grand prix racing, however the two Mclaren drivers showed that overtaking can be exciting.

Of the runners and riders, Ferrari have made the biggest gain and maybe, just maybe, Red Bull have lost their monopoly over the top step of the podium and we might finally have a championship, however I'm sure I have said this after China and Canada.......

The curious case of Mclaren continued apace this weekend as they had no pace, found pace and then lost it again. In the changeable conditions at the start of the race, Hamilton and Button charged through the field until the dry conditions when the natural order reasertied themselves, however, it is hard to see how they really showed in fully dry conditions as Button lost a wheel nut early on and Hamilton had to fuel save for the latter part of the race.

Going into the German Grand Prix, Red Bull will understandably be favourites as Sebastian Vettel looks to extend his lead at the top of the championship as he continues in his quest for back to back champions (and the youngest to do so before I'm mistaken) but he'll have to fight off a resurgant Mark Webber who is finally challenging his team mate again after a slow start to the season after he struggled to acclimatise to the Pirelli tyres, he was also stung by the team orders at the end of the last Grand Prix, so you can't bet against him for at least a podium position next weekend.

Renault seem to have disappeared after a strong start to the season, Vitaly Petrov seems to have fallen back into 2010 mode after a strong start to the season. Nick Heidfeld has fared better recently and still features in the lower ends of the points, however a podium seems a long way away, a theory solidified as their side exhausts have had to be abandonded due to the propsed rules, however with the debate going on at the moment, this may not be the case after all.

Mercedes seem to have found pace recently, Rosberg is constintely in the midle of the points while Schumacher seems more like himself again, in more ways than one.......... But at his home grand prix, he will be keen to show that he still has it, along with a large number of German drivers, the most represented country on the grid, so many people will be keen to show that they are the best German on the grid.

Team lotus made it into Q2 again which is a major achievment for them and shows that they are getting closer to the midfield and their major goal of getting points before the end of the year so they can beat Virgin and Hispania.

This year we return to the Nurburgring as part of the deal is that the circuit alternates with Hockenheim, last time we were there was in 2009 where Mark Webber won his first grand prix in the Red Bull. In recent memory Nurburgring will be best remembered for the crazy race in 2007 where a heavy rain shower caused havoc at the start of the race and famously allowed Markus Winkelhock to lead the race in his Spyker, joining the elite of people who led a race in their first (and only race)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write up, see here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/nurburgring/
 
Vettels on the clean side while Alonso isn't, I think Massa will be the one to watch off the line as he usually gets an electric start.
Remember Red Bull KER's is still suspect and the first corner because the way it is designed by Tilke you can have two lines into the corner so Vettel might find himself shoved wide

I think Seb is a worried man
 
Just looking at the best sector times, Webber was the only one of the top 3 who didn't have 3 best sectors on his best qualifying lap.
If he had he would have been even quicker.

Driver		S1	S2	S3	Time
Webber 29.831 36.883 23.282 1:29.996
Hamilton 29.713 37.257 23.164 1:30.134
Vettel 29.921 37.073 23.222 1:30.216
 
Will Vettel try and squeeze Alonso to the wall if the Ferrari gets a run on the inside...I believe Vettel is very vulnerable as this circuit because there arent too many high speed corners where the Red Bull's superiority can count plus the gap is closer than before in quali when Red Bull's DRS clearly gives them extra downforce

This is exactly what Seb did last year allowing Massa to steam past both. I think if Alonso jumps him which he possibly will, Seb will be more concerned with Massa and even Rosberg taking advantage of any such defensive move
 
Hopefully Brundle will do one of the on-board comparison pieces using Hamilton and Webber; contrasts between sectors 1 and 2 will be intriguing

Seems Brundle was similarly interested:

Quail lap comparison tomorrow between Webber +Hamilton. Not a banzai wild lap from Lewis but very precise+ economical. Webber impressive too@MBrundleF1 16 mins ago
Just seen Hamilton's onboard again (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPzaEnYVV4U), they haven't got the speed/DRS/KERS graphics on, but he sounds flat through 10/11.
 
What an amazing lap from Hamilton. Did you guys see the on-board replay? It was literally a perfect lap as he said.

Brilliant performance from Webber. How gutted would RB have been if they didn't choose to go out again in Q3, because if Webber had not of improved, Hamilton would have had pole!

I guess it also shows that Vettel isn't the qualifying king that some people think. Now that Webber has got used to these tyres, he seems faster than Vettel. He has been faster than him all weekend, during short and long runs.

It was good to see Lewis and Mark qualify faster than Sebastian and Kinky Kiley today, and hopefully this will be the start of putting an end to their reign of terror.
 
Looking at how practice to qualifying went, one can pretty much assume that Ferrari are more comfortable running race spec. It is obvious running heavy as though it be race conditions favour the Ferrari's a lot more than the single lap pace of RBR and McLaren. While it is once again disappointing that a Ferrari still cannot achieve front row, fans will fall back on the hope that both cars get off the line well tomorrow.

It was always interesting to see how Ferrari would perform with specs going back to Valencia set ups and once again it is clear that EBD is worth nearly .500 sec advantage alone, tomorrow hinges on being oportunistic yet again to get onto the podium, unless the front runners somehow struggle with race setup.
 
this will be the start of putting an end to their reign of terror.

I think both Red Bull and Vettel should be admired and praised for the work and effort they have put in to get to such a position of dominance. Regardless of whether you are a supporter of the driver or team to describe it as a "reign of terror" is a bit juvenile. Sorry if that seems a bit harsh but they aren't winning everything because everyone else is letting them, they are beating them because they are better.
 
Yeah, if only the first half of the season hadn't happened because it now looks like we could be in for a three team fight at the front for the rest of the championship. The similarities with 2009 keep on growing.

It's a long shot but if Webber, Hamilton and Alonso can 'team up' on Vettel and keep him off the podium then who knows what could happen when the pressure starts to rise. Brundle has already been making comments at the past few races about how Vettel hasn't been looking so happy and relaxed.
 
What are the chances of starting behind the SC tomorrow? Current forecast suggests steady downpours for a signifcant period during the race. There's also the issue wih DRS and whether it would be allowed.
 
I think shades of last years Hungary is about to happen.....Mark Webber driving off into the sunset...he looks in that mood. Or the status quo will prevail and he will get mugged off the start.
 
I hope Webber's going to get jumped at the start (possibly by Hamilton or one of the Ferrari's) so that we get to see a fight between the top 4 (with a bit of luck the top 5). That would be very exciting to watch. If one of the Reb Bull's are in front after the first few corners they will probably drive away from the rest of the field.

It's no harsh but.....stupid

Why is that stupid? He's absolutely right, Vettel and RB (and Webber if he keeps this up) have been beating everyone up until now because they were better than everyone else. That's not a reign of terror, it's outsmarting your opponents. It's the nature of Formula 1. They were, and are, better than the rest and this is a feat that should be applauded.
 
Tomorrow could be a cracker... sums it all up. Although I look forward to every f1 race, I am genuinely excited about this one - but looking at that forecast (bbc - consistent rain) we may have a safety car start - hope not!:please:
 
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