Grand Prix 2011 Canadian Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

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O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.

With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!

From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.

Thought this might be useful if you wanted to sing along to the Canadian National Anthem before the start of the race.

Anyway, on to the Grand Prix, after all that’s what we’re here for. Last year Bridgestone provided tyres, which didn’t like the surface at the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve too much, and the powers that be in F1 thought “ah, ha here’s an idea to spice up the racing. Why don’t we ask those blokes at Pirelli if they can make sets of boots for F1 cars that fall apart on the warm up lap”, and they did.

In 2010 Hamilton put his car on pole (you may recall him pushing his car back to the pits, so light was it on fuel) and then went on to win an exciting race with teammate Jenson Button standing on the 2nd step.

So what for Canada 2011? Red Bull, at least car No.1, has been a tad difficult to beat but McLaren and Ferrari are getting closer during the race. With 5 wins out of 6 races Vettel has a healthy lead in the Championship and some bookmakers are already paying out on the title being his. Vettel was 3rd on the grid last year, behind teammate Webber, and finished 4th with unspecified gearbox problems, still ahead of Webber who had led for many laps but got caught out by the high tyre wear rate.

Fernando Alonso was 3rd last time out in Canada after getting mugged by a hard charging Jenson Button. Mercedes had a mixed race, Rosberg was “best of the rest” behind the McLaren’s, Alonso’s Ferrari and the Red Bull’s whilst Michael Schumacher treated the race like a destruction derby, straight lining chicanes and bouncing off other cars with gay abandon. What of Felipe Massa I hear you ask; well, he was one of Schumacher’s victims and lost time pitting for a new nose cone.

This is very nearly the last Hurrah for the exhaust blown diffuser and we have two, yes 2, DRS zones. So expect cars breezing past another before and after the pits, when they’re not in their getting new tyres of course.

Will it be another Red Bull walk over or can the McLaren’s and Ferrari’s tame the charging Bull? How will the Pirelli tyres hold up dusty and bumpy Ille Notre-Dame Circuit? Will it rain? Who will win? Can one of the minor teams struggle up into the points? I don’t know but I get the feeling there will be lots of speculation.

And we have our own track side reporter this year - take a bow Ray in Toronto and make sure you post some good photos

For Galahad’s excellent circuit write up, track history and all the stats a boy or girl could want click here http://cliptheapex.com/pages/circuit-gilles-villeneuve/
 
Another win and Vettel could be out of sight. It would be good for the championship if he scores low. Webber needs to get his act together too if others are going to have a chance. I know he's had to navigate some mechanical issues but it still doesn't exaplin the sudden drop off in his performances compared to last year.
 
Unlike most I've enjoyed the DRS overtakes and have a feeling if we didn't have one thing to moan about we'd ind another. The way I see it, we can keep repeating phrases like Artificial over and over again and look like this :rolleyes: or we can do this :D and accept that what we have is actually bloody entertaining and that the cars are completely different from a couple of years ago, and in another couple of years they'll be completely different again. Hell, maybe we'll be pining for the days of DRS and KERs etc.

Why are the 2010 regs less artificial? May I remind you what F1 cars started out as?
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There's no point pretending the day you tuned in was when F1 was pure and beautiful and anything else is wrong. F1 evolves quicker than any other sport on the planet and I'm proud of that. There were even days when Nick Heidfeld was clean shaven.

One thing will never change: The Canadian GP is brilliant.
 
I hope that Lewis will get his 3rd win in Canada this weekend, and I'm sure that the controversies of Monaco will be the last thing on his mind.

Canadian GP, a great race in a wonderful city.
 
I don't get this thing where people say Vettel hasn't proven how good he is yet and he made too many mistakes last year - he came through to win the title didn't he? so surely those mistakes don't matter right?

It matters in terms of that championship, but if we are comparing drivers from different cars you have to take more into account than just who is winning

I think people need to stop being in denial about Mr V and realise we have 3 world class drivers on the grid at the moment.

I'd say even more if you throw in Rosberg and then Kubica when he comes back. Hopefully Kimi will return as well and the grid will be full of world class drivers to the level of the 80s/early 90s.
 
Does anyone know what the weather is doing this weekend in Montreal?

According to weather.com Thursday scattered thunder storms, Friday partly cloudy, Saturday sunny, Sunday showers, Monday showers.

So the likelihood is that it will pour down except for qualifying when the temperatures will be in the fifties (centigrade).
 
If it's a dry qualifying but the start of the race is wet, do the top 10 still have to start on the dry tyres they used in q3?
 
No.
They are permitted to change if the race is declared wet.

It would be dangerous otherwise, trying to drive on slicks in the wet.
 
No, I'm 99.99% sure that all the tyre rules get thrown out the window if there's a wet race, i.e. the top 10 can start on the tyres they like and there's no requirement to run on both dry compounds.

From karting on slicks in the wet I know that it would be absolute carnage if that wasn't the case LOL.

EDIT: Argh, Brogan beat me to it!
 
The F1 website, this season and last season always make it out that we will have a wet weekend...even in Bahrain last year :rolleyes:

I gave up on the BBC weather forecasts for F1 last season. I think at least half the races should've been wet and the same this year according to BBC. I just flip a coin now to get the weather forecast. Here it is for those interested.

FP1: Wet
FP2: Dry
FP3: Dry
Quali: Wet
Race: Dry
 
It doesn't matter in terms of that championship, but if we are comparing drivers from different cars you have to take more into account than just who is winning

I was kind of meaning that yes he did make mistakes during the season but he actually came through and won the title in the end - there were a lot of drivers last year who made some very basic errors too and didn't pull it together and win. Its a sign of great driver if you come back form your mistakes and get the results you need. - plus if you look at his record over his teammates - anyway I'll debate with you on this in the Vettel thread.

as for Wet race - not one so far this year - even in Malaysia. Is that some sort of record. Hope we don't get it in Canada really. I reckon it'll happen come Silverstone.
 
Secretly a Wet race is always appealing, throws a curveball to team strategy and qualification.

I believe Bro------gan is right, wet weather means you can start on wets/intermediates in respect of Q3 qualifyers.
 
A wet race would be interesting as we don't know how these wet Pirelli's will do, also it mixes up the order, that way moose gets some nice points :thumbsup:
 
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