Current Daniel Ricciardo

Discussion in 'Drivers' started by RasputinLives, Oct 5, 2011.

  1. Angel

    Angel Pole Sitter Supporter

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    Dan smiles too much for my liking. He always has that inane grin on his face which makes me unable to take him as seriously as maybe I should.

    As a driver he's one of the better ones out there at the moment, he's made some moves that others simply wouldn't dare to make. Trouble is, he knows the way the dice is loaded, if he had stayed at Red Bull he'd be settling, sure he can beat Max, he's proved it many times, but the teams do like to put their eggs more in one basket than the other and Dan was probably noticing his basket was coming up a little on the light side.

    Renault are making all the right noises about investment and pushing forward and so on and so forth. Red Bull are getting the Honda engine, the evidence of what that could mean for them is there for all to witness over the past few years. If Max has been whining about the Renault engine, just wait for his views on the Honda!!

    If Dan can beat the Hulk then good on him, if he can't it's probably the start of a long goodbye from him in F1. He is just a talent who didn't get into the best car because when he was ready to do so they were already taken, he's not the first one it's happened to in F1 and he won't be the last either, you can guarantee that. Doesn't mean it's not a shame for him.
     
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  3. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    This says it all:

    Horner's Biggest Mistake? - Pitpass.com
     
  4. Dartman

    Dartman Points Scorer

    But was it Horner's mistake or someone else who pulls the strings?
     
  5. Chasz

    Chasz Points Scorer

    Thanks for sharing. The point he makes about the contract given to Max before he's really proved himself is a really good.
     
  6. Road of Bones

    Road of Bones MTC Mole Premium Contributor

    I think they were petrified that Ferrari or Mercedes were going to swoop for him, and wanted him locked into their hutch long-term.
     
  7. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    Renault’s Ricciardo wake up call
     
  8. cider_and_toast

    cider_and_toast Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex Staff Member Premium Contributor

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    Not a bad article until I read the quote above. I assume the author has forgotten that virtually every top driver in F1 history has vetoed a team mate or at the very least, objected to one. Prost tried to veto Senna at Williams, Senna vetoed Warwick at Lotus, Mansell tried to veto Prost at Williams. On top of all that, a number of drivers have held their number one status by contract. It's not rare in the slightest.
     
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  9. Angel

    Angel Pole Sitter Supporter

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    According to some Vettel vetoed Ricciardo at Ferrari, not sure how true that is though.
     
  10. Greenlantern101

    Greenlantern101 Super Hero And All Round Good Guy Contributor

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    I would of thought that was obvious. Dan thrashed Seb in their last season together at Redbull. Seb doesn't want him doing the same again in the Ferrari or Sebs career would be screwed.
     
  11. Angel

    Angel Pole Sitter Supporter

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    Sorry, I didn't make that clear. I get why Seb might have said it, I just wasn't sure if he actually did veto Ricciardo or if it was just a rumour that he had.
     
  12. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    I don't buy that Seb vetoed anything. If he did veto a move because he was scared of getting beaten, that implies he thinks that Ricciardo is better than him in the same car. If the general understanding in the paddock is that Ricciardo is better than Vettel, then Ricciardo would have been snapped up by Mercedes of Ferrari long ago. But he wasn't. Hmm, why is that...?

    Its because he's not better than Vettel, and the year he beat him in a Red Bull was a bad year for Seb, who didn't get along with the new car at the time and was perhaps on the lookout for a move from his once-beloved team. He was fairly beaten by Ricciardo, I'm not taking anything away from that, just that the 'veto because he's scared' argument doesn't add up.
     
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  13. Angel

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    I agree vintly When Ricciardo was Seb's team mate at Red Bull I believe they did to Seb what they've been doing to Daniel this year. They wanted to move on to a new 'special one' for want of a better term and Daniel was it, now he's seeing that they're doing it again and Max is the new 'special one'. Seb and Kimi have more or the less the same requirements in a car, Daniel has a very different style and set up to Seb and from what I read in 2014 they set the car up to suit Daniel. That sort of explains why Seb struggled so much that year and why Daniel wouldn't be such a good fit at Ferrari. If the problem was with Seb why did he go to Ferrai and immediately start winning again?

    Well that's how I understand it anyway, although as an old friend of mine used to say YMMV (your mileage might vary)
     
  14. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    I don't think Red Bull 'did to Seb what they've been doing to Daniel this year'. I think its just the natural cause of events. We seem to be ever more pre-disposed to assuming that any misfortune that befalls a driver has been contrived and created by their team bosses due to favouritism over drivers. One driver will generally be slightly or not so slightly better than the other within a team, and they are the no.1 driver because of that. Has there ever been a distinct one-two driver relationship in a team when the perceived no.1 driver is slower than the no.2? I don't think so. That's not to say favouritism doesn't exist – it just never favours the slower driver.

    Daniel was quicker than Seb in 2014, but that was probably his career highlight.
     
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  15. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    Daniel has been better than Verstappen all season too
     
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  16. Chasz

    Chasz Points Scorer

    Can someone remind me? Has Daniel been beaten by a teammate?
     
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  17. RasputinLives

    RasputinLives Not dead Contributor

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    No. But I'm sure the 'Max has so much more potential' line will be present by some soon. Being as he is on 70+ GPs I kind of think potential should have arrived.
     
  18. siffert_fan

    siffert_fan Too old to watch the Asian races live. Contributor

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    I think that Max's episodes of "brain fade" should have disappeared by now, it they are going to.
     
  19. Chasz

    Chasz Points Scorer

    Thanks for confirming. That's what I thought. Behind that inane grin (and thoroughly likeable chap) is a great racing driver and fierce competitor!
     
  20. HansyRod

    HansyRod Points Scorer

    He was beaten by JEV in 2012 and Kvyat in 2015 actually. Although at least in my opinion JEV is at least a good driver that got burned by Red Bull's machine, so take that as you will.
     
  21. vintly

    vintly Mostly bacon Premium Contributor

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    OMG he was indeed beaten by Kvyat in 2015!
     

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