Grand Prix 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Yes, its a tad early, but I'm not sure about being online tommorow and i'll do it now just to be safe. Well anyway, after a 3 week break, F1 roars back to life at the Tilke designed Instanbul Park circuit with the first European race of the season . F1 has been extremely unpredictable so far (apart from the pace of Vettel) and there seems no reason for this to change in Turkey barring the competitiveness, or lack of, this weekend.

Last years race is remembered for close action and fighting at the front, namely two incidents; The now famous crash between Vettel and Webber and Hamilton and Button arguing on track about who's going to win the race.

While we expect Red Bull and McLaren to pick up from where they left off in China with strong qualifying and race pace, it remains to be seen whether Ferrari can fulfill their pre season promise and finally get back to the front after 3 (or in Massa's case 2) lacklustre races. And what about Mercedes and Renault? Both teams will be aiming at the podium after strong drives this season with Heidfeld and Petrov getting 3rd places and Rosberg leading a sizeable portion in China before finishing a strong fifth behind the Red Bulls and McLarens. Williams appear to be going backwards and are now on a level with Team Lotus for pace and they will need a strong performance to banish doubts, and falling share prices. The midfield has also become increasingly conjested with Sauber, Force India and Torro Rosso fighting over the small points with the likes of Di Resta and Perez making positive early impressions with Sutil and the evergreen Barichello struggling.

At the back HRT and Virgin continue to squabble at the back with HRT finally getting their act together and posing a real problem for Virgin who have recently employed Pat Symonds to evaluate the outfit and suggest ways of improvement due to no increase in pace of their 2011 challenger and they could end up slipping behind the improving Hispania team.

Turkey has become famous for its high speed turn 8 which will no doubt help the likes of Red Bull with their *ahem* flexi-wings and it would be a foolish man to bet against a Red Bull Vettel taking pole on Saturday, but as Murray Walker said, anything can happen and it usally does, particulary with rain being forecast for the latter part of the week, we might be seeing the intermediate tyres being used for the first time this season. Tyres will again be the watch word though whatever the weather, along with marbles.

With the Turkish Grand Prix currently under threat due to rising prices and low attendance figures, this year could be the last time we see F1 cars grace the sweeping track and one of Tilkes' better tracks and if the last 3 grand prix are anything to go by, we should be in for a cracker this weekend.

For Galahad's superb circuit write up see http://cliptheapex.com/pages/istanbul-park/
 
I've said it before (several times), but I'll say it again, F1 should not be about tyre management to the detriment of the racing.

They've gone too far this season with the softer tyres and reduced number of sets available per driver.
David Coulthard would disagree.
I think that settles it. :whistle:
 
No penalty for Schumi then for blocking Lewis.

I wonder if he was even invited to the Stewards' office, or perhaps McLaren didn't complain so nothing was said?
 
I've said it before (several times), but I'll say it again, F1 should not be about tyre management to the detriment of the racing.

They've gone too far this season with the softer tyres and reduced number of sets available per driver.

Hmm...there is a lot of artificial - design your own sport stuff going on this year. People have stepped in and said, i want the sport to be like this and tweaked everything available to them to make it so. Due to safety requirements and anti-aero rules, the sport has had artificial elements for decades now. We can't exactly let the teams do what they want or we'd go back to the years where you were a good driver if you were alive at the end of the season, but at the same time racing loses its soul if you interfere too much.

Personally, i don't really have a problem with the new rules. The main draw for me to the sport is the drivers. I like to see drivers competing to show who is the most talented and if anything, the new rules are testing drivers and different aspects of driving more than ever. This said, i've been saying for a while that i can see why purists and fans coming purely from a motor racing point of view will not like it. The new rules draw focus from the cars to the tyres, the teams and the drivers. It is no longer a matter of making the fastest car and getting a driver to get it round the track the quickest. There is complex strategy, trial and error, and more than ever, luck.

I think the problem is every dedicated fan will be both a sports fan and motor racing purist. None of us can decide whether it is good or bad. From one side, it is more entertaining as a sporting competition. Drivers are becoming ever more important, as are the teams. But, as a motor sport, Formula 1 is moving away from its roots and heading in a new direction. Soon a motor enthusiast would see F1 as a shoe enthusiast would see Football. A bit of an extreme example, but the focus is firmly moving away from "the equipment" and to individual drivers and teams.
 
Edited [I was a bit slow there this was a follow up to Brogan a moment ago] Oh dear, some things just don't change. Still poor chap needs all the help he can get. Apparently (or is that allegedly?).
 
Then in Q3 he was faster than Alonso in sectors 1 and 2, but made a mistake, and just came into the pits....

His mistake was been faster than Alonso, if he had kept to the plan of been slower than him then the team may have allowed him to complete a final flying lap.
 
Small piont but did DC drop an Fbomb (you know what I mean, ****) in quali today (1.35.55ish on BBC vid). Only just watched it and I have to say I was disappointed with the McLaren strategy. If the dirty side is so bad it may explain the choice to go back out but then both drivers failed to improve their position (really thought Ham would make 3rd) I can see the bulls running away with it now, and just can't see Webber challenging Vettel.
 
I'm hoping Webber will realise that and run into him at the first corner.

Small piont but did DC drop an Fbomb

I think it is possible he did, but he mumbled it so i doubt we'll be seeing any complaints to ofcom. Well, other than the one i just made under the name Jonathan Legard.
 
Well he won't be intimidated by the inevitable vettel chop. I wouldn't be surprised if rosberg made gains in lap 1
 
They should do something about Vettel's tactics off the line. They are just down right dangerous. Lewis moves a couple of times down a straight and is given a 20 second penalty. Vettel cuts drivers up off the line several time per race, no penalty. There is no excuse for acting this way so far up the grid, when the only people in danger are behind you.
 
Japan 2007, Silverstone 2008
That's a little harsh. Even as a Hamilton supporter I have to admit that he played a part in Vettel's demise at Fuji with his own conduct behind the safety car. And in Seb's defence I could mention Monza 2008 and Korea 2010.
 
Been waiting three weeks for this one. Just make it through T1 clean boys!

Vettel is sitting pretty with some fresh rubber in hand. This race will be his to lose.

Going to be interesting to watch Kobayashi fight through the field. Perez' Sauber was fastest through the speed trap, so Kamui should be able to make some good progress.
 
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