Grand Prix 2011 Turkish Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

Yes, its a tad early, but I'm not sure about being online tommorow and i'll do it now just to be safe. Well anyway, after a 3 week break, F1 roars back to life at the Tilke designed Instanbul Park circuit with the first European race of the season . F1 has been extremely unpredictable so far (apart from the pace of Vettel) and there seems no reason for this to change in Turkey barring the competitiveness, or lack of, this weekend.

Last years race is remembered for close action and fighting at the front, namely two incidents; The now famous crash between Vettel and Webber and Hamilton and Button arguing on track about who's going to win the race.

While we expect Red Bull and McLaren to pick up from where they left off in China with strong qualifying and race pace, it remains to be seen whether Ferrari can fulfill their pre season promise and finally get back to the front after 3 (or in Massa's case 2) lacklustre races. And what about Mercedes and Renault? Both teams will be aiming at the podium after strong drives this season with Heidfeld and Petrov getting 3rd places and Rosberg leading a sizeable portion in China before finishing a strong fifth behind the Red Bulls and McLarens. Williams appear to be going backwards and are now on a level with Team Lotus for pace and they will need a strong performance to banish doubts, and falling share prices. The midfield has also become increasingly conjested with Sauber, Force India and Torro Rosso fighting over the small points with the likes of Di Resta and Perez making positive early impressions with Sutil and the evergreen Barichello struggling.

At the back HRT and Virgin continue to squabble at the back with HRT finally getting their act together and posing a real problem for Virgin who have recently employed Pat Symonds to evaluate the outfit and suggest ways of improvement due to no increase in pace of their 2011 challenger and they could end up slipping behind the improving Hispania team.

Turkey has become famous for its high speed turn 8 which will no doubt help the likes of Red Bull with their *ahem* flexi-wings and it would be a foolish man to bet against a Red Bull Vettel taking pole on Saturday, but as Murray Walker said, anything can happen and it usally does, particulary with rain being forecast for the latter part of the week, we might be seeing the intermediate tyres being used for the first time this season. Tyres will again be the watch word though whatever the weather, along with marbles.

With the Turkish Grand Prix currently under threat due to rising prices and low attendance figures, this year could be the last time we see F1 cars grace the sweeping track and one of Tilkes' better tracks and if the last 3 grand prix are anything to go by, we should be in for a cracker this weekend.

For Galahad's superb circuit write up see http://cliptheapex.com/pages/istanbul-park/
 
Can't wait to see another Patented Nock Hidfeeld charge from midfield mediocrity to top three glory.

Stun them, my friend.

Ha. It makes me laugh how much you love Nock. He seems a really random driver to have a infatuation with. :p
 
I am surprised how much Sauber and Toro Rosso have slipped back the past two races...both looked very strong in Australia good in Malaysia...China can't really remember but they weren't as good...

I can't work out Toro Rosso. They seem to post really fast times out of nowhere then end up qualifying in the midfield. They must just have a really different approach to fuel and tyres to be so inconsistent in one qualifying session.
 
I can't work out Toro Rosso. They seem to post really fast times out of nowhere then end up qualifying in the midfield. They must just have a really different approach to fuel and tyres to be so inconsistent in one qualifying session.

Seems to me that their first runs always seem to be good...but their second one lets them down? I could be wrong...
 
But thanks anyway....I meant race results wise and race pace...they seemed to have slipped back, that just showed qualifying pace am I correct?

I just wonder with Sauber whether they actually don't have any real race pace, but instead their car is the best tyre manager on the grid.
 
I just wonder with Sauber whether they actually don't have any real race pace, but instead their car is the best tyre manager on the grid.

I remember Brundle mentioning that Kobayshi is driving to save his tyres...so maybe we are never going to see their true race pace? Due to them saving their tyres? Just a theory, however you are probably right...

You can disagree with me all you want...can't have everyone agreeing with me can I? :p
 
I remember Brundle mentioning that Kobayshi is driving to save his tyres...so maybe we are never going to see their true race pace? Due to them saving their tyres? Just a theory, however you are probably right...

Yeah. We get to see their pace over one lap but as you say, not their race pace. They have been using a very different philosophy in races which is very cautious and aims to do well simply by outlasting the opponent. It is the old rope-a-dope strategy. :thinking:

You can disagree with me all you want...can't have everyone agreeing with me can I? :p

We are all friends on here.:friends:My old signature use to be "If i agreed with you, we'd both be wrong." LOL
 
Yeah. We get to see their pace over one lap but as you say, not their race pace. They have been using a very different philosophy in races which is very cautious and aims to do well simply by outlasting the opponent. It is the old rope-a-dope strategy. :thinking:

We are all friends on here.:friends:My old signature use to be "If i agreed with you, we'd both be wrong." LOL

I am surprised no one else has adopted this strategy....playing the snail game...I guess they are the only team that could pull it off at the moment

:friends: LOL
 
Very true. I think it is great that teams can take such diverse strategies and for more than one of them to be right. Haven't we had a race with 1,2,3 and 4 stop strategies all going on. Crazy. :dizzy:

*although i believe the 1 stopper was a Hispania, but it still counts. : p
 
Very true. I think it is great that teams can take such diverse strategies and for more than one of them to be right. Haven't we had a race with 1,2,3 and 4 stop strategies all going on. Crazy. :dizzy:

*although i believe the 1 stopper was a Hispania, but it still counts. : p

Indeed, but I think that we wont be seeing a one stopper in a while....

Sauber acheived a one stopper I am sure you know that :p
 
I am surprised how much Sauber and Toro Rosso have slipped back the past two races...both looked very strong in Australia good in Malaysia...China can't really remember but they weren't as good...

However I think they both have their major upgrades for Barcelona?

Toro Rosso were both in Q3 in China!

If Sauber were faster, then Kobayashi would have been in the faster Sauber! I don't think its a fair test!
 
Toro Rosso were both in Q3 in China!

If Sauber were faster, then Kobayashi would have been in the faster Sauber! I don't think its a fair test!

The reason why Toro Rosso both got into Q3 comfortably in China was because of the red flag brought out and the mad scramble to get out at the end cost the others, the only ones to improve where Massa and Rosberg out of the 6-8 drivers at the end.

And in the race what happened to them? They just slipped back...and I like Toro Rosso aswell, they just seemed quite good like Sauber in Australia.
 
Could anyone help me out with the tyre allocation. As far as i'm aware, the teams have 3 hard and 3 softs going into qualifying. So Lewis and Jenson will have no new soft tyres and Red Bull have 1? Or is the allocation different to what i think here, like 2 and 4?
 
Yes Red Bulls and Mercedes drivers have 1 spare, and McLaren have no spares along with Alonso and Massa
 
Oh dear. :disappointed: Very silly call from Mclaren there. Does Massa have no spares then? No wonder he didn't run in Q3. No tyres left and why ruin a hard set.

Lord knows what strategies will be going on out there. It is so unpredictable now. :)
 
Massa unlike the rest of the top 10....for some reason even though he was safe was told to go out in Q1 on soft tyres....there he lost a new set.

Then in Q3 he was faster than Alonso in sectors 1 and 2, but made a mistake, and just came into the pits....

His soft tyres have a bit more life than they normally would....that's the only advantage he has
 
I've said it before (several times), but I'll say it again, F1 should not be about tyre management to the detriment of the racing.

They've gone too far this season with the softer tyres and reduced number of sets available per driver.
 
I've said it before (several times), but I'll say it again, F1 should not be about tyre management to the detriment of the racing.

They've gone too far this season with the softer tyres and reduced number of sets available per driver.

I have said this myself! F1 shoouldn't be about managing the tyres and the car! It should be about going flat out!
 
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