Grand Prix 2011 Chinese Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

So on to China, with the teams only having a few days rest after Malaysia. Last year Red Bull dominated qualifying with Christian Horner describing Vettel’s pole lap as “phenomenal”.

Come the race, however, changeable weather caught out both the Red Bull drivers and Lewis Hamilton as they pitted early expecting heavy rain. This left Jenson Button, who chose not to go in for inters, in the lead and he, along with Nico Rosberg and Robert Kubica who also stayed out on slicks, showed that it’s all about being on the right tyres at the right time.

The race should also be remembered for what looked like an astonishing start from Fernando Alonso. I watched it in an Italian hotel and the crowd literally went wild, only for the assembled throng to mope to the bar a few minutes later as Alonso was given a drive through penalty for jumping the start.

Button’s more mature tyre strategy won him the race, although he was under pressure late on from Hamilton, and the team scored their first 1-2 since Monza 2007 with Rosberg taking third for Mercedes.

2011 has been a Red Bull Fest, or perhaps more accurately a Vettel Fest, so far with the young German taking pole and race wins in the first two Grands Prix whilst his team mate has struggled with various car problems and, might I postulate, some psychological scarring from last season. McLaren are much closer than pre-season testing indicated they would be and Renault have surprised everyone with 3rd spot at both races and an ability to get off the start line reminiscent of the Benetton launch control system.

Ferrari are nowhere near where they feel they should and there will be many tired faces in their pit garage as managers and engineers flit backwards and forwards between Europe and the Far East trying to understand what is going on. Similarly Mercedes are still not even close to where they expect to be whilst Sauber and Force India are looking good for minor placings, dicing with the Toro Rosso’s.

Toward the back, Williams (it hurts me to say) look to have taken 1 step forward and 2 back with their new car and are now competing with Team Lotus to be the best of the worst. Virgin appear not to have moved any further forward compared to 2010 and HRT, despite no pre-season testing, look to have a car which, once a bit more sorted, might get ahead of them. I suppose the question there is can they sort the car?

Oh, I nearly forgot tyres. 55 pit stops in Malaysia, more marbles than a game of KerPlunk and rubber wearing out faster than Russell Brand’s bed sheets. No sign of the wet tyres yet, will Shanghai throw us a surprise (sorry, had to slip that in)

For Galahad's excellent circuit write-up, see here: http://cliptheapex.com/pages/shanghai-international-circuit/
 
And don't forget, he not only looked after his tyres but he also managed it whilst overtaking, Massa, Rosberg, Button and Vettel. He was told to slow down and put in a fastest lap, he had a flat spot but still stayed quicker than the rest.

Button was on practically the same strategy bar one lap difference between the two and couldn't get on the podium despite leading the race from before turn one. I'm sorry this was not about tyre management. There was something else there and that was a driver making the difference.
 
Mark Webber said:
Congratulations to Lewis. It was good that someone finally... of course Seb is in the same team, but he's been on a phenomenal run and we're all here together fighting for victories.
Shame McLaren won in a way, but also we can't let Seb get too far away. It was a good day for the racing, I think, and a good day for us in terms of points for the team.

LOL
 
I've just watched the interview with Whitmarsh again - not once did he give Lewis singled out praise apart from saying he did a fantastic job and stayed calm following the pre start events after Jake made umpteen references to Lewis only. All he could say was Lewis and Jenson did a fantastic job, the drivers did a fantastic job.

I've been resisting the cries of the tin hat brigade on 606 but It's getting more difficult to ignore.
 
I've just watched the interview with Whitmarsh again - not once did he give Lewis singled out praise apart from saying he did a fantastic job and stayed calm following the pre start events after Jake made umpteen references to Lewis only. All he could say was Lewis and Jenson did a fantastic job, the drivers did a fantastic job.

As he should, as team principal. I bet Ron gave Lewis plenty of praise in 2007 and we all know how that ended!
 
I've just watched the interview with Whitmarsh again - not once did he give Lewis singled out praise apart from saying he did a fantastic job and stayed calm following the pre start events after Jake made umpteen references to Lewis only. All he could say was Lewis and Jenson did a fantastic job, the drivers did a fantastic job.

I've been resisting the cries of the tin hat brigade on 606 but It's getting more difficult to ignore.

I noticed that too - I felt it was quite disrespectful, when Lewis had just won an amazing race, to not even single him out for a bit of extra praise and just say - they both did a fantastic job. Well no, Jenson didn't do a fantastic job, or if he did, Lewis did an even more fantastic job. Their "fairness" and "equality" sometimes just gets annoying.
 
I've said in another thread - Why did Whitmarsh say that Button didn't come in to pit the lap before he did, when they called him in, which basically really messed up things for Lewis too? Jenson was meant to come in the lap before, which would have allowed Lewis to pit that lap. As it happened, Lewis had to stay out an extra lap when his and Jensons tyres were clearly both gone, so it then cost him a place to Massa and lost him a lot of extra time to Vettel and Button.
 
I'm not suggesting Button would purposely not come in to hurt Lewis, maybe he just ignored it because he thought it was the better strategy for himself, either way, pitting on the wrong lap and then in the wrong box. What's going on?
 
I wouldn't mind if that was the consistent case TBY and you may have a point, but he doesn't apply that to Jenson when he does well. I'll wait to see if he gives him any in the selected quotes. I was just a bit taken aback that he couldn't bring himself to talk about him separately. He won for goodness sake and not from pole either.
 
I've said in another thread - Why did Whitmarsh say that Button didn't come in to pit the lap before he did, when they called him in, which basically really messed up things for Lewis too? Jenson was meant to come in the lap before, which would have allowed Lewis to pit that lap. As it happened, Lewis had to stay out an extra lap when his and Jensons tyres were clearly both gone, so it then cost him a place to Massa and lost him a lot of extra time to Vettel and Button.

I missed that completely. He seemed a bit distracted today which is very unlike him. I don't think it was malicious but Hamilton did need to pit a lap earlier and judging by tyre performance probably before Jenson on that first stint.

They were right to go with the 3 stopper but I still think they made some monumental chuff ups today.
 
Unfortunately Jenson just wasn't on it in the race. He was holding up Lewis all throughout the first stint, which was then putting Lewis back into Vettel. It was clear that Lewis was faster than Jenson at every point in the race, but by Jenson being ahead for most of it, Lewis had compromised strategy and ended up getting stuck behind others (e.g. Massa). This is obviously how it works when you don't out-qualify your team mate, so on the one hand Lewis can only blame himself, but I just thought McLaren could have had a bit more common sense at the first round of pit stops.
 
Overall that was thoroughly entertaining. And finally there was no controversy, just some really really great drives from a lot of people.

Well done drivers :cheers:
 
Loved the race! Not such a good one for Quick Nick but there was still much to enjoy. I've heard people say we haven't had enough squabbling for first place. Well god dang my heart was going like a techno drum and bass beat.

Button was surprisingly poor in my opinon for the second half of the race. Sort of like a revrese of Malaysia, with one Mclaren using it's tyres better to leave the other behind after the halfway mark. Jenson also made some other errors of judgement though, such as forgetting to pit then going into the wrong box. Although I hope the RBR mechanic was joking about it being on purpose, he had a great poker face if so. A shame Rosberg couldn't improve as the race went on, but I was so glad to see Massa showing signs of his old self, for sure ;)
 
Massa was brilliant - for me, he was my 2nd best driver of the day. Half way through the race, he was only a second behind Vettel, on a set of tyres that were 1 lap older than Alonso had and at this same point in time, Alonso was miles down the field, lapping several seconds slower!
 
Unfortunately Jenson just wasn't on it in the race. He was holding up Lewis all throughout the first stint, which was then putting Lewis back into Vettel. It was clear that Lewis was faster than Jenson at every point in the race, but by Jenson being ahead for most of it, Lewis had compromised strategy and ended up getting stuck behind others (e.g. Massa). This is obviously how it works when you don't out-qualify your team mate, so on the one hand Lewis can only blame himself, but I just thought McLaren could have had a bit more common sense at the first round of pit stops.

Perhaps a little "Lewis is faster than you" message down the radio?:whistle:

Yeah first stops made no sense to me. I thought the whole point of Hamilton doing one Q3 run was to give him the better race strategy which for me naturally meant that Hamilton should pit first surely. Oh well it's over now. Real shame Jenson couldn't finish 2nd, I guess he became a victim of the same thing Lewis had last weekend.
 
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Caught him!

There'd be nothing I'd like to see more than Felipe Massa to do well. Still the last driver to win his home Grand Prix!
 
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