World Champions From The Start?

[Il_leone]

I've said the same thing about Monaco myself because he has always been good there - we also have to remember though on occasions he's cracked under pressure so with all this build up it might get to him and we could see him chuck it in the barrier!

The reason I bumped this thread really is because if you look at that list of drivers who have won in thier first 36 GP's currently he really does stand out like a sore thumb as neither potential highly rated could be champion or reliable extra talented number 2. He'll develop into one or the other just interesting to see which way it will go.

I think the fact that no one rates him despite being Gp2 champion and he got in with a sizeable backing from the government is what people are quick to dispel especially as he replaced one of the supposed hottest prospects in Hulkenberg who must think life's a bit unfair to him witnessing potentially a race winning car but was forced out by money matters

 

[teabagyokel]

Well, I doubt he's ever going to be consistent enough to compete with the likes of Alonso & Vettel. I think the highs now appear as if they'll be dizzying, but I still believe that there might be some crazy lows. And, as you will know, I'm unconvinced about his team-mate as a yardstick.

But I'm surprised he's won a race so I have to say he's making me rethink his quality.

 

[Il_leone]

Well, I doubt he's ever going to be consistent enough to compete with the likes of Alonso & Vettel. I think the highs now appear as if they'll be dizzying, but I still believe that there might be some crazy lows. And, as you will know, I'm unconvinced about his team-mate as a yardstick.

But I'm surprised he's won a race so I have to say he's making me rethink his quality.

its a bit surreal considering he was GP2 champion and won the MOnaco GP twice but everyone still thought Perez was better

As they say being good in junior formula does not mean you'll be good in F1

Obviously he has got the wind in his sails and wants to go for the world title ...the next step for any winner is make sure you have sustained success at the front to be taken more seriously

So if Pastor is regularly fighting for podiums then I think Williams are definitely coming back to the glory days of 80s and 90s

 

[Kewee]

No matter how you look at it, six successive feature wins in GP 2 in 2010 says quality.

 

[Viscount]

Well it did take him 3 & a half seasons to win the GP2 title, whereas Hulkenberg for instance was able to win it in his debut season with Maldonado as his more experienced teammate.

Maldonado might not even have become the Monaco specialist he is, after he hit a marshal there in Formula Renault 3.5 and rumoured to be banned for life from the track until some political intervention.

 

[Kewee]

Some take a little longer than others to achieve which is why I'm always prepared to cut them a little slack so to speak. Achieve being the key word and achieve he has. Hulkenberg is yet to make it onto the podium in F1, let alone win a GP.

 

[RasputinLives]

You could make the point that if Hulkenberg had been in GP2 a year longer he might have come into F1 better prepared than he was. You can make the same argument about someone like Alguersauri

Mclaren notourisley held Hamilton back in F3 a year longer than he wanted but you have to say it worked out well for him. Maybe sometimes these starlets are victims of their own success

 

[Il_leone]

You could make the point that if Hulkenberg had been in GP2 a year longer he might have come into F1 better prepared than he was. You can make the same argument about someone like Alguersauri

Mclaren notourisley held Hamilton back in F3 a year longer than he wanted but you have to say it worked out well for him. Maybe sometimes these starlets are victims of their own success

Yes as Ron Dennis did not want to fast track Hamilton into F1 initially but had very little choice given the situation in 2006 and Hamilton seemingly turning up at the GP2 races and winning all the time

I think if you look at Grosjean the same applies he was fast tracked into F1 and it proved to be a mistake and two years of more competitive racing has definitely improved him this time round

 

[RasputinLives]

This is a thread from a long while back that I thought I'd give a bump on the back of Kvyat topping the timings in Singapore FP2 (2015). Singapore will be his 32nd Grand Prix and therefore would be within the magic of a win in the first 36 races most world champions have achieved.

With the season getting longer (20 races rather than 16) I think we can round that number up to about 48 races but that still means Danny Ric missed out on getting within the stat.

Its not an exact science but as we've had no different world champions since this thread was written all the math and stats still stand!

 

[Titch]

Being fastest in FP2 is a long way from winning the race.

 

[RasputinLives]

Yes. You are 100% correct.

I didn't say he was going to win the race. Was just looking at the stats and reflecting on this thread.

But you're right I should have only done that if he won.

 

[Bill Boddy]

How many races have been won this season by the driver who has been quickest in FP2?

 

[RasputinLives]

Actually only 4 times this season. Maybe I should have checked those stats first.

Kvyat doesn't stand a chance!

Nice to see a new name at the top of the time sheets this year though even if statisticly he is less likely to win the race now

He'd still be where my money sat right now if I had to bet on who would be the next driver to get a maiden win.......and like I said he'd be within the magic 36 races mark we were talking about in 2012 - so was Maldonado though.

 

[erinha]

Why did everyone get so worked up over this? It's an interesting topic that I've never seen before. And it has a connection to today's results in a roundabout way.
I didn't get the impression that RasputinLives claimed Kvyat will be WDC now, just because he finished the FP2 quickest today. Though I also think Kvyat will be the next driver to get his first win, and who knows he might be a champion one day...
Anyway, interesting topic.

 

[Legs]

Though I also think Kvyat will be the next driver to get his first win, and who knows he might be a champion one day...
Anyway, interesting topic.

Nah, Bottas should get in there before Daniil. RoGro might, as well, if there's a sufficiently crazy race. It's funny to think that the closest any of the current non-race-winners have got to winning is probably Hulkenberg's performance at Interlagos in 2012 - now that was a race and a half!

 

[RasputinLives]

Perez was pretty close in the Sauber chasing Alonso down.

 

[Legs]

Trufax

 

[Il_leone]

Hmm future world champions...

Used many times before some people's suggestions were laughed at ... Colin Chapman thought Mansell was going to be world champion despite his record saying otherwise but Colin saw something in NIge others did not

Jan Magnussen for example - was supposedly going to be a world champion given that he won everything in junior category but such was the expectation on him. He was harshly criticised for not delivering the results despite not really getting the opportunities at Stewart to show his ability

It certainly helps if you get the opportunity you take it to make people notice that you're world champion material..

You know I do think had Nico Hulkenberg won the 2012 Brazilian GP when he was fighting superbly with both Mclaren drivers he would in a top team now and winning races. Despite having a brilliant 2nd half in 2013 with Sauber where he held off Hamilton, and Alonso brilliantly at Korea to finish 4th , you have to wonder what on earth does he have to do to get a top drive and become world champion.


I do remember even Maldonado was talked about being a potential world champion after winning in Spain in his 2nd season