Grand Prix 2023 United States Grand Prix Practice, Qualifying & Race Discussion

It's time to move on to the next "dead rubber" in the 2023 F1 season with the formal United States Grand Prix, as opposed to the informal ones which took place in Miami and the one planned in Las Vegas.

What excitement can we expect at the Circuit of the Americas? I suspect very little on track as Max will scamper away to win by about 30 seconds, having take it easy for most of the race so the powers that be don't realise just how fast this years Red Bull is compared to all the other cars. In the second Red Bull Sergio Perez is working his notice and probably won't make it out of Q2. So here's some potential excitement, we can all speculate about who will get the second seat at Red Bull for 2024.

Also at Red Bull, the power struggle between Christian Horner and Helmut Marko will be played down by anyone in a Red Bull shirt as they pretend that all is sweetness and light despite the inevitable in-fighting following the death of Dietrich Mateschitz. Just out of interest, how many of you have seen the Red Bull headquarters near Salburg? No? Well here it is:

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I can't help but be put in mind of the sort building a Bond villain inhabits. And if you want to draw a comparison with the McLaren Technical centre, please read up on the ego and obsessive mind of a certain Ronald Dennis CBE.

What else on the driver merry-go-round? Other seats are still up for grabs, with Logan Sargeant's hold on his place at Williams looking very tenuous. I presume, like Nicholas Latifi before him, Logan brings a big wedge of cash with him to the Williams team as his junior record certainly doesn't justify a seat in an F1 car. This will probably be paying Pat Fry's salary next year as he joins the Grove team as Chief Technical Officer for 2024. Williams must have taken him on as he did such a stonking job at McLaren in 2018/19 (6th and 4th in the Constructors Championship) and at Renault/Alpine between 2020 and 2023 (5th, 5th and 4th and currently 6th). Quite a CV isn't it, I'd give him a job.

On other drivers likely on their way out, Lance Stroll has apologised for being "a bit moody" after making a dick of himself in Qatar. I'm sure his mood in Austin hasn't been helped by the race organisers putting up paddock images with Felipe Drugovich shown in his Aston Martin race suit rather than Lawrence's little lad. Perhaps this is daddy's way of telling Lance that he is surplus to requirements for 2024?

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Michael Andretti will be stalking around the paddock in Austin, talking to anyone he can about how great his entry will be if someone actually lets him put a car on track in 2025. Meanwhile, all the other team principals will be pretending that they can't see him as they narrowly look to protect their own interests rather than that of the sport generally. F1 has always been full of ego's, self interest, and some who show almost psychopathic tendencies at times, but this current lot look to have taken it to a new level. Given that Alpine are selling off bits and pieces to anyone with a couple of bob to spare, perhaps Andretti might buy their entry for 2025?

Should you have missed this, Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney, along with a load of their famous mates, have bough a small stake in the team - Who owns Alpine F1 team and which celebrities are involved? How much Ryan Reynolds, Patrick Mahomes have invested presumably to "do a Wrexham" in F1 and get Alpine into the 4th Division. Oh, they are already there.

Back to the race, Danny Ricciardo returns at Alpha Tauri. I suspect he's hoping that a few decent showings will encourage Red Bull to put him back in the first team in 2024, making way for Liam Lawson to get a full time drive at what is rumoured to become either Boss F1 or Adidas F1 as Red Bull look to off load the less than successful Alpha Tauri clothing brand. You know, I've always thought that a natural business extension for a fizzy drinks company is to go in to clothing, as I pulled on my 7Up pants the other day.

We have a sprint race this weekend so the teams have 20 minutes to get the cars set up on Friday morning before we are in "Parc Ferme". Given it usually takes Mercedes until the end of FP3 at most races to work out where the tyres go on their cars we probably won't see the Silver Arrows anywhere near the podium in any of the races this weekend. Meanwhile, McLaren will take a second or third place an celebrate like they have just won a world championship. How the mighty are fallen. It's like watching Osella or Minardi back in the 80's and 90's.

If you have Sky F1 here are the broadcast times in the UK:
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If you don't have Sky or don't live in the UK look it up yourself, I'm not your mother! ;)

Some other teams will be taking part. The team at Sky will do their very best to pretend that there is some sort of excitement when the safety car period has ended on lap 5, after the inevitable first corner incident. But the cars will all drive round in order and we will all wait, breathlessly, for a sub-two second pit stop, or something equally pointless in what is supposed to be a motor race (Toto).
 
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It's for this reason that I think there must be something that triggers the check. It's not the case that the top-3 are checked at every race (in fact, there's nothing in the scrutineers reports of this being looked at in the last two races). At Austin, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 6th were checked (odd). At Monza, 4th and 5th were checked...
i was just reading about how & why. apparently they dont have the time to do everyone because of back to back races, because people

Following the GP on Sunday afternoon, every hour extra that the car might be held in parc ferme while checks for all 20 competitors are completed delays when teams can pack down and ultimately freight the car to the next race, which happens to be this weekend in Mexico as part of a rapid-fire triple-header.

The FIA can zero in on which cars to single out for further inspection based on a variety of indicators.

In the case of a worn floor, a beaten-up titanium skid plate gives off a strong smell that can arouse suspicion from the pit wall. A better read is the onboard footage, which the FIA will monitor to see if drivers’ heads are wobbling as a result of bottoming out over bumps.

Following the high-profile return of porpoising amid the adoption of ground-effects for 2022, the FIA also now measures the vertical oscillations in the car to ensure the drivers are not put at risk from vibrations.

Should a car attract attention for these excessive movements, then the technical delegate will be inclined to investigate further.
 
i was just reading about how & why. apparently they dont have the time to do everyone because of back to back races, because people
To which I say bollocks.
The plank is the easiest thing to measure, as they (used to have) drilled measuring holes all along its length, which allowed very rapid measurements - it's a bit like checking to see if your tyres are overly worn.

It is equally problematic that neither Sainz nor Russell were checked at the US GP. You'd expect that if Leclerc was disqualified, then Sainz was likely to have been running a similar rideheight. I'm less sure about Russell - given how slowly he seemed to be going.
 
id fully agree The Artist..... you do everyone or not at all. 16 finished it cant be that difficult. reminds me of drug testing in football you can be on drugs & have a 3 in 11 chance of never getting caught. because they dont test the whole team. it is crazy to think there are possibly drivers that have points that broke the rules but got away with it

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on separate point just thinking has that plank just saved perez bacon as he was 19pts ahead of hamilton. with 4 races to go. i would made lewis favourite considering the form. but 1 DSQ & perez is now 39 ahead. i think he's lucked into a 2nd place that arguably he doesn't deserve
 
id fully agree The Artist..... you do everyone or not at all. 16 finished it cant be that difficult. reminds me of drug testing in football you can be on drugs & have a 3 in 11 chance of never getting caught. because they dont test the whole team. it is crazy to think there are possibly drivers that have points that broke the rules but got away with it

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on separate point just thinking has that plank just saved perez bacon as he was 19pts ahead of hamilton. with 4 races to go. i would made lewis favourite considering the form. but 1 DSQ & perez is now 39 ahead. i think he's lucked into a 2nd place that arguably he doesn't deserve
Don't be so sure with his state of mind
 
Don't be so sure with his state of mind
im thinking he should be motivated for Mexico. he is going to want win that race before he retires or sacked. so best case he wins Hamilton is 3rd. thats 49pts with 3 races to go. i guess with maths he would only need to finish in the top 7 if lewis finished 2nd in all 3
 
im thinking he should be motivated for Mexico. he is going to want win that race before he retires or sacked. so best case he wins Hamilton is 3rd. thats 49pts with 3 races to go. i guess with maths he would only need to finish in the top 7 if lewis finished 2nd in all 3
You know the race is either side of the Day of the Dead festival so my theories are

1) Verstappen lets him win
2) Verstappen takes him out of the race and wins
3) He takes Verstappen out and wins

If all else fails the Mexican gangs can .. I don;t think Helmut will show for his disparaging remarks about Mexicans are soft
 
Is there a reason why Hamilton and Leclerc did not lose their Sprint points?
They weren't found to be in contravention during the sprint race.

There are all sorts of contradictions in F1 rules. If you are found to have an illegal car after qualifying, you are thrown to the back of the grid. If that illegality wasn't spotted on the Saturday, but was found after the race on the Sunday, you are disqualified from the race.
 
From what they were saying on Sky it takes 5 hours to check a single car. So there is not time between events on sprint weekends.
Yes - this is what is known as b*******

They weigh all of the cars after the race. Why? Because this is an area that is easily measured (and is something that decreases during the race). In fact, they check all of the following in addition on all cars:
The engine high rev limit bands were checked on all cars.
The oil consumption was checked on all cars.
The plenum temperature was checked on all cars.
The IVT temperatures were checked on all cars.
The ES state of charge on-track limits were checked on all cars.The lap energy release and recovery limits were checked on all cars.
The MGU-K power limits were checked on all cars.
The maximum MGU-K speed was checked on all cars.
The maximum MGU-K torque was checked on all cars.
The maximum MGU-H speed was checked on all cars
.The session type has been confirmed for all cars.
Chassis FIA checksum was checked on all cars taking part in the race.
The torque coordinator demands were checked on all cars.
The torque control was checked on all cars.
The rear brakes pressure control was checked on all cars.
The brake temperature warnings were checked on all cars.
The race start data of all cars have been checked.
Single clutch paddle use for the race start has been checked on all cars.
The MGU-K use at the race start was checked on all cars.It was checked on all cars that the ES was not charged while the car was stationary in the pits.
It was checked that no classified car exceeded 80 km/h when leaving the formation grid prior to thestart of the race.
It was verified on all cars that the PCU dash display configuration was not changed during ParcFermé.
The tyre starting pressures of all cars during the race were checked.
The tyres used by all drivers during the race today have been checked.
The fuel pressure of all cars during the race was checked.
The logged pressure within the engine cooling system during the race was checked on all cars.
Fuel flow meter calibration checksums were checked on all cars.
The instantaneous fuel mass flow of car numbers all cars was checked.
The fuel temperature of car all cars was checked.

Things like the plank should be inspected after every race on all cars, for the simple reason that it is an area of the car that wears down; it is not something that is designed to be illegal (e.g. unlike brake ducts, etc etc). Plus, there's no reason that "designed" elements shouldn't be checked before the race - given that they don't change during the race.
 
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