The Points System

The reality is that the points system is the most logical compromise to try to ensure the most deserving driver and team over the course of an entire season get the championship; if the current system is the best it could be is up for question but medals are not the way to go about it, I could not in all good faith support a system which made great drives like Jenson at Monza or the recovery drive by Lewis in Malaysia relatively worthless; if qually went wrong you might as well park up and save the engine cycles.

I like my NASCAR but we all know that the chase system barely works for them and the relative size of the grids and numbers of races make it impossible in F1; however I would support the adoption to F1 of extra points for leading laps or qually etc. How about extra constructors points to the team which has the fastest cumulative pit stops (both drivers times added, if one car retires before the pit then the team are ineligible for the extras) .

NASCAR gives 190 points for a win, does F1 need to look a maybe more points, going from 10 to 25 has meant there are 5 drivers with a chance, what if 50 was a win, or 100? Just a thought.
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
BlackCountryBob said:
NASCAR gives 190 points for a win, does F1 need to look a maybe more points, going from 10 to 25 has meant there are 5 drivers with a chance, what if 50 was a win, or 100? Just a thought.
Nope.
All it needs to do is have larger points differences between each position.

The old system versus the new system is as follows:
Old   New   Multiplier
10 25 2.50
8 18 2.25
6 15 2.50
5 12 2.40
4 10 2.50
3 8 2.67
2 6 3.00
1 4 4.00
2 N/A
1 N/A
So as you can see, as a ratio the 2 systems are almost the same.
This has been borne out by the fact that there would be almost no difference this year no matter which scoring system was used.

What they should have done is increase the gaps so it would give you a ratio as follows:
Old   New   Multiplier
10 25 2.50
8 15 1.88
6 10 1.67
5 8 1.60
4 6 1.50
3 5 1.67
2 4 2.00
1 3 3.00
2 N/A
1 N/A
This increases the worth of the top 5 positions relative to the old scoring system, making it much more worthwhile to go for a win.
 

Chad Stewarthill

Champion Elect
Contributor
teabagyokel said:
And anyway, why does he cite the Olympics in all of this...
Someone was arguing, on that other forum, that the real reason that Bernie is pushing the medal sysytem is that he has a masterplan to get F1 as an Olympic event, beginning with Rio. All the IOC's boxes have been ticked off except the awarding of medals.
 
Brogan said:
What they should have done is increase the gaps so it would give you a ratio as follows:
Old   New   Multiplier
10 25 2.50
8 15 1.88
6 10 1.67
5 8 1.60
4 6 1.50
3 5 1.67
2 4 2.00
1 3 3.00
2 N/A
1 N/A
This increases the worth of the top 5 positions relative to the old scoring system, making it much more worthwhile to go for a win.

Interesting, kinda where I was going in a round about way, if a win was 50 points then maybe second could be only 25 points etc, if 1st were worth double 2nd then it would really be a big deal to go for the win but would not be utterly fruitless if you ended up 4th or 5th; regardless, the medal system is a bit dumb.
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
Just for interest, here's a table showing the current points system with the gap to the leader and also using the new points I suggested above (25, 15, 10, etc.).


The only difference is Nico Rosberg and Robert Kubica would switch places but the gaps are generally larger thereby rewarding those more who finish on the podium.
 

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FB

Not my cup of cake
Valued Member
For want of something better to do on a Saturday afternoon here is the drivers championship based on points per position. Any driver who has not taken part in a GP gets a 24 point score.
 

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teabagyokel

#dejavu
Valued Member
Simply, F1 will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever become an Olympic sport since you are not allowed to have Olympic sports with engines. The device must be man (or horse) powered if such a device is used.

And an Olympic Grand Prix is a sodding awful idea that would betray 114 years of Olympic tradition. Since the Games would be incidental to F1, then the F1 should not have the Games. It has a shop window all of its own and it would be ridiculous to require an F1 circuit at an Olympic city.
 

Slyboogy

World Champion
Contributor
Is this going to continue on this year?

I for one would like to see the comparisons, however if you are not, I understand due to it been 2 years now since the system has been changed
 

Fenderman

Rooters Reporter
Hmmm. Doesn't look such a done deal like that, does it. Might have to rethink my pessimistic positioning. Glass half full or half empty?:thinking:
 

Brogan

Legend
Staff Member
Hmmm. Doesn't look such a done deal like that, does it. Might have to rethink my pessimistic postioning. Glass half full or half empty?:thinking:
Essentially the new points system makes very little difference as the ratios/gaps are almost identical.

The main difference is 10 drivers are awarded points, instead of 8.
 

TN23

Rookie
I have a brief list of best ever scores per season under the current scoring system

Position Driver Year Points Constructor
1. Michael Schumacher 2002 380 Ferrari
2. Michael Schumacher 2004 367 Ferrari
3. Michael Schumacher 2001 327 Ferrari
4. Fernando Alonso 2005 322 Renault
5. Fernando Alonso 2006 321 Renault
6. Alain Prost 1988 301 McLaren-Honda
7. Michael Schumacher 2006 293 Ferrari
8. Michael Schumacher 2000 286 Ferrari
9. Nigel Mansell 1992 279 Williams-Renault
10. Kimi Raikkonen 2005 277 McLaren-Mercedes
11. Ayrton Senna 1988 275 McLaren-Honda
12. Ayrton Senna 1991 274.5 McLaren-Honda
13. Kimi Raikkonen 2007 272 Ferrari
14. Rubens Barrichello 2004 271 Ferrari
14. Alain Prost 1993 271 Williams-Renault
16. Michael Schumacher 1995 268 Benetton-Renault
17. Fernando Alonso 2007 266 McLaren-Mercedes
18. Lewis Hamilton 2007 265 McLaren-Mercedes
19. Mika Hakkinen 1998 258 McLaren-Mercedes
19. Damon Hill 1996 258 Williams-Renault
 

no-FIAt-please

Champion Elect
Contributor
Interesting that Alonso, Hamilton,Barrichello and Schumacher are on that list and yet none of them won a WDC that year and that under this system Alonso beat Hamilton in 2007.
 
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