The Future Of F1

Izumi

Points Scorer
Well, one of several dozen issues we disagree on. I forget what we do agree on
We did agree on something in the past? My memory doesn't extends that far, but, I continue to read what you write with faint hope, you will come to my side of thinking. Call it conversion therapy.
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
We did agree on something in the past? My memory doesn't extends that far, but, I continue to read what you write with faint hope, you will come to my side of thinking. Call it conversion therapy.
Probably not going to work. I am probably too far down the path I am on.
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
GP247
When asked who will be the 2019 F1 champions, Berger ventured , “I would put my money on Ferrari.”

“It’s not about Mercedes destroying the championship because the team does a brilliant job, but rather the current regulations make it impossible for the others to catch up,” lamented the Austrian who is currently DTM chief.
My song for past 6 years, and until today I am conviced that Whiting was protecting Hamilton and Mercedes from competition (RBR mainly).
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
Papers aren't signed yet, but it is rumored that Mercedes might stay in the F1 series at least until 2025. It is not what I've expected, but then, life is full of surprises.
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
Papers aren't signed yet, but it is rumored that Mercedes might stay in the F1 series at least until 2025. It is not what I've expected, but then, life is full of surprises.
Well, that is what I always expected, which is probably why you and I saw certain issues differently. Even if they don't win anymore world champions after taking seven in a row (I am already giving them 2020), there is going to be a lot of advertising value in having Mercedes in F1. They only reap the full marketing value by staying in F1. It is also why I don't think Ferrari will ever leave.

Given that we have I gather Mercedes, Ferrari, Red Bull, Renault, McLaren, Williams, Force India, Haas and the two junior teams in F1 for the long haul (until at least 2025), a new set of rules in 2021 and a budget cap coming in......this may turn the sport around. Nothing else they have done since 1998 has done that.
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
I think you expect far too much of budgetary restrains as an equalizer, which it is not. Budget is not a compensation tool for brainpower differences. Newey still will gets his gazillions, and that is that. The only way to neutralize people like Newey is to mandate specs he cannot substantially change. That's better than budget.
 
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Ruslan

Points Scorer
I think you expect far too much of budgetary restrains as an equalizer, which it is not. Budget is not a compensation tool for brainpower differences. Newey still will gets his gazillions, and that is that. The only way to neutralize people like Newey is to mandate specs he cannot substantially change. That's better than budget.
I am sorry, as clever as Newey is, I suspect if you had a dozen senior F1 engineers start from scratch with the same budget......
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
interesting article i through twitter but might need translating for some

Neuer Formel-1-Zeitplan für 2021: Parc Fermé künftig schon ab Freitag

Formula 1 will change her face in 2021. Not only the cars get new shapes and dimensions. They are more akin to the current Indy cars than the current vehicles. The expiry of the GP weekend gets a new structure.

The program will be shortened by 1 day. This should make room for more races in the calendar. The Thursday as a media day is eliminated. Everything takes place on Friday. The press conferences & the technical inspection are scheduled in the morning, followed by the first 2 practise sessions in the afternoon.

The fans get the same scope as before. But it starts later. In the European races, the first training session will take place from 13.00 to 14.30, the second from 17.00 to 18.30. This is a present for TV stations. At least the second practise session can watch the fans on Friday after working on TV.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff member
Premium Contributor
Thank god they've made those changes to the race weekend and timings. That will improve the competitiveness of the cars on track and solve the overtaking and following closely issues. Glad to see Ross Brawn really is ringing the changes.

:facepalm:
 

rufus_mcdufus

Champion Elect
Does anyone actually watch the practice sessions any more? I count myself a pretty avid F1 fan and I have an incredibly high boredom threshold (those two things might be connected), but even I've got a bit bored of them.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
bit like cycling stage more background stuff for me. while doing other stuff but good to keep informed & usually not much on tv on a Friday morning or afternoon
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
Does anyone actually watch the practice sessions any more? I count myself a pretty avid F1 fan and I have an incredibly high boredom threshold (those two things might be connected), but even I've got a bit bored of them.
I have them recorded and then fast forward through most of them. Sometimes something interesting is going on.
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
interesting article i through twitter but might need translating for some

Neuer Formel-1-Zeitplan für 2021: Parc Fermé künftig schon ab Freitag

Formula 1 will change her face in 2021. Not only the cars get new shapes and dimensions. They are more akin to the current Indy cars than the current vehicles. The expiry of the GP weekend gets a new structure.

The program will be shortened by 1 day. This should make room for more races in the calendar. The Thursday as a media day is eliminated. Everything takes place on Friday. The press conferences & the technical inspection are scheduled in the morning, followed by the first 2 practise sessions in the afternoon.

The fans get the same scope as before. But it starts later. In the European races, the first training session will take place from 13.00 to 14.30, the second from 17.00 to 18.30. This is a present for TV stations. At least the second practise session can watch the fans on Friday after working on TV.
I do think they should go back to qualifying on both Friday and Saturday, so that there is some meaning to the grand prix weekend on Friday.
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
Staff member
Premium Contributor
Fridays are very good if you actually go to the circuit. Using Silverstone as an example, you get to see far more than you would on race day. A general admin ticket gives you access to all the stands so you can sit anywhere. You get 3 hours of cars on track. It costs a fraction of a Sunday ticket. Winner.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
I do think they should go back to qualifying on both Friday and Saturday, so that there is some meaning to the grand prix weekend on Friday.
lets not try to mess up qualifying again. id have a 3rd driver race or have F2 race on friday
 

Ruslan

Points Scorer
lets not try to mess up qualifying again. id have a 3rd driver race or have F2 race on friday
Well the advantage of Friday qualifying is that they actually have to run in anger. This makes the first practice more important too. So you got to see the initial sorting out of the cars as they did need a real time.
 

Izumi

Points Scorer
Well the advantage of Friday qualifying is that they actually have to run in anger. This makes the first practice more important too. So you got to see the initial sorting out of the cars as they did need a real time.
Proposed is also from Friday onwards lock on cars related work. Officials claim that will improve competitiveness. I must have lost my mind, because I think exactly opposite will happen. Humans are known to be prone to mistakes, and if you made one, and cannot correct it, how will driving with sick car make series more competitive? It is concept outside frame of my understanding how things do, or don't work. Series will transform from first stage best driver wins, to second stage, best car wins, and this latest one will be the luckiest driver wins. Both titles (WCC, WDC) become really meaningless. Owners and FiA has learnt nothing from having Mercedes protected from competition since 2014 through complex web of restrictions what can, and cannot be done on a car.

Correct step was of course letting cars get close to each other, and allowing driver's skills to dominate the scene without worrying about fuel, tire, or engine wear. DRS and now this latest (potential) gimmick will just deliver another blow to the sport.

It's time to burn the house down, and under new management start all over from square one.
 
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Ruslan

Points Scorer
Proposed is also from Friday onwards lock on cars related work. Officials claim that will improve competitiveness. I must have lost my mind, because I think exactly opposite will happen. Humans are known to be prone to mistakes, and if you made one, and cannot correct it, how will driving with sick car make series more competitive? It is concept outside frame of my understanding how things do, or don't work. Series will transform from first stage best driver wins, to second stage, best car wins, and this latest one will be the luckiest driver wins. Both titles (WCC, WDC) become really meaningless. Owners and FiA has learnt nothing from having Mercedes protected from competition since 2014 through complex web of restrictions what can, and cannot be done on a car.

Correct step was of course letting cars get close to each other, and allowing driver's skills to dominate the scene without worrying about fuel, tire, or engine wear. DRS and now this latest (potential) gimmick will just deliver another blow to the sport.

It's time to burn the house down, and under new management start all over from square one.
Well, I am not sure about this change either....especially as I still think they should be doing qualifying on Friday. I gather the underlying reason is that they want to shorten the race weekend by a day, so instead of being Thursday to Sunday, it will be Friday to Sunday. This is of course, related to the increasingly crowded race calendar. The significant impact of requiring cars to be in parc ferme on Saturday was that the team mechanics were no longer do all nighters...which used to be fairly common in F1. Moving it to Friday will certainly make the race weekend better for the crews. Like many changes, this one comes with some plusses and minuses.

Now, not sure who is disadvantaged by the rule change if anyone. I suspect it will make the race weekends a little more random for if people get things a little wrong they won't be able to so easily correct it.
 
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