Did we everFlood1 said:Did any of you see the indy car race last Sunday.
http://cliptheapex.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1950
Most of us have been left completely flummoxed by the rule it's fair to say.
Did we everFlood1 said:Did any of you see the indy car race last Sunday.
No, I'm not. It's not about the difference between Massa and Alonso, it's about the difference between Massa and the McLarens and RBRs.Chad Stewarthill said:Wombcat:
I think that maybe you are being distracted by the apparent points gap under the new rules.
You're rightActually, by my calculation Massa, if he had won at Hockenheim, would now be on 92 points to Alonso's 116.
But he needs one more win to close the gap to the guys before Alonso.That's 24 points, or less than one win, behind with eight races (or 200 points) to go. Remember, Alonso had been bragging pre-Germany that he would win the WDC, from a position then of two wins behind the leader.
Yeah, but the thing is, as I pointed out, that Massa has got to beat 4 guys (apart from Alonso), not just one as Raikkonen had to do. If it was just one or two drivers, instead 4, his chances would have been better.So, say at Hungary Alonso clashes with a Red Bull, or has an engine failure, resulting in a DNF, and say Massa wins that race. He would now be the leading Ferrari driver. Say Hamilton finishes second to Massa, he would still lead the championship with 175 points to Massa's 117. That may sound like a lot, but it's still only two wins and one 6th place, with 7 races left to run. And as good old Murray once said, "Anything can happen in Formula One and usually does".
Don't forget, Lewis was 17 points (in old money) ahead in 2007 with two races left, yet was still overhauled by Raikkonen at the last race, who won the WDC by one point.
Well, they did it when Schumacher broke his leg.Chad Stewarthill said:Wombcat:
Ok, we'll agree to disagree.
What interests me though is, on the basis that favouring the leading driver would give the team the best chance of a title, will Ferrari give preference to whoever is highest in the points at any given time, assuming that Massa could overhaul Alonso (two DNF's might do it; not impossible, however unlikely), or will they just continue to favour Alonso regardless of position?
The governing body announced on Monday that the WMSC hearing will take place in Paris on 8 September.
Bullfrog said:Todt has always said he wouldn't personally adjudicate things like this.
ATL11 said:Yes, it's a team sport & you can't police it, as the driver will always say it was his decision.
The only way you get rid of it is by removing the Constructors Championship, which would be sacrilege to some teams as they push for this more than they do the WDC.
"After events in Hockenheim, a wave of hypocrisy swept through the paddock, with so many pundits, young and old, keen to have their say.
"Some were promptly brought back into line by his master's voice, while others continue to pronounce sentence willy-nilly.
"The latest missive comes from Austria, from a person, who having hung up his helmet, has never missed out on a chance to dispense opinions left and right, even if, on more than one occasion, he has had to indulge in some verbal acrobatics to reposition himself in line with the prevailing wind.
"This time, good old Niki has missed out on a fine opportunity to keep his mouth shut, given that, when he was a Scuderia driver, the supposed Ferrari driver management policy suited him perfectly.
"That aside, where was all his moral fury when, over the past years, so many have been guilty of more or less overt hypocritical actions?"
With regard to Lauda's suggestion that the WMSC will punish Ferrari severely, the column added: "As for any predictions regarding a possible decision from the FIA World Council on September 8, time will tell.
"In this sort of situation, the best policy is to respect and to trust in the highest level of the sport's governing body."
Brogan said:This is it on the Ferrari site: http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/100820_F1_Horse_Whisperer.aspx
It's not the first time this year Ferrari have posted an utterly bizarre article on their website and I suspect it won't be the last.
DOF_power said:There's nothing bizarre about it, Lauda is a hypocrite. He was no. 1 at Ferrari when he won.
The Horse Whisperer said:The best policy is to respect and to trust in the highest level of the sport’s governing body.
DOF_power said:Grand Prix racing was always a team sport and always will be one, and it will always have team orders regardless or their legality.
teabagyokel said:DOF_Power said:Grand Prix racing was always a team sport and always will be one, and it will always have team orders regardless or their legality.
I agree with that, but that is not a defense. If you're caught doing something illegal, you can't be excused because other people who haven't been charged would do it as well.
Although Ferrari is now clearly throwing all its weight behind Alonso's title bid, and Red Bull Racing may soon have to start backing Mark Webber over Sebastian Vettel if the Australian keeps his points advantage, Whitmarsh said his outfit was not considering installing a number one at his team yet.
Reflecting that a similar decision to keep both drivers equal had cost McLaren the 2007 world title, Whitmarsh said: "I think clearly we don't like to lose world championships and it [2007] was a painful year in all sorts of ways for this team.
"But I think that it would have been very easy for us and it was very tempting to change your view, your philosophy, but in a straight way I am proud that we didn't.
"I know we did everything in our power to be fair and equitable, and I certainly said to a gentleman who is not here [at McLaren] today that if you want to win a world championship then you want to look yourself in a mirror and know you won it and it has not been gifted. And I think that is the right approach."