Current Sebastian Vettel

Bernoulli

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So Vettel wanted a big pay check to match what he has received over the past few years and based on results, specifically 2019, Ferrari said GTFO!
Unlikely, it is assumed that Ferrari only offered him a one-year deal whilst Vettel was pushing for a multi-year contract. Plus a pay-cut would have been inevitable based on his results and on the current global financial struggles.
 

gethinceri

Daniil Kvyat Fan. Alfa Romeo Fan.
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Vettel chucks in the towel rather than race for Ferrari in whatever this season becomes. Alonso drives instead, manages to land a seat for 2021 with Renault and makes several podium slots before winning the championship in 2022.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Can I have some of whatever you’re drinking gethinceri .
true that sounds far fetched & would be weird maybe something wrong with the sport if we ended up with 2 drivers in there 40's + a 37yr old on the grid in 2022 but imagine in 2007, describing the story of brawn success. a film would reject that for being unrealistic :D

& alonso is too good to just be on just 2 world titles
 
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F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Alonso got the exact amount of titles he deserved
the man yes, it was his own fault that he became too toxic to touch in a way i havent seen with any other driver

but the talent he was throughout his career 1 of the best on the grid. shown by his last year how he finished above ocon & leclerc on championship table is beyond me. he shoudve won more
 

cider_and_toast

Exulted Lord High Moderator of the Apex
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F1 is littered with drivers who could have, should have or would have and many were far more deserving than the stroppy Spaniard who seemed to believe that winning was a right not something to be earned.

Does anyone honestly believe Alonso knew nothing of Crashgate before, during or immediately after?

No one made Alonso hand over envelopes stuffed with 1000 euros to his mechanics as incentives to beat Hamilton in 2007 or discuss revealing information in email conversations.

As Greg Lake once sang

"The Christmas you get you deserve"
 

RasputinLives

Leave me alone I'm on Smoko
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F1Brits_90 Believe it or not Alonso the man really doesn't reflect my view on him. The toxic elements of his personality are there to see but frankly I'm pretty sure all racing drivers have those due to their egos it's just that some hide them better than others. The problem I have with Alonso is that we really just don't know how good he is or ever was.

Since his early days he has had this amazingly effective PR team that have presented us with the picture that Fernando is driving beyond a car that is not as good as the competition. They say it so often that the commentators start to repeat it and then the fans start to repeat it - other drivers also say it because they have the same PR team and motives and it enforces it. However it is actually impossible for us to tell whether it is correct or not because in every season he has had in F1 - bar 2007 - Fernando has had preferential treatment over a team mate, not even just the normal number 1 and 2 stuff but the you'll move over for me/ruin your race to improve mine/have the lesser car/crash into a wall so I win sort of preferential treatment. So therefore it is actually impossible to tell how good the car actually is and whether he is really performing above where it should be. In itself this is a very clever PR tactic.

The other thing you have to ask yourself is if he continually had these bad cars and he was at the team for a long period of time then why were they bad? How good could he have been if he couldn't help develop the car? Also it's interesting to note that - apart from Renault - every time Alonso has left a team their results the following year have taken an up turn.

I just don't know. 2 titles is enough for Fernando I think. You could argue too many I think.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
Does anyone honestly believe Alonso knew nothing of Crashgate before, during or immediately after?
i think Alonso got off lightly there as i think it was too convenient for his pitstop for him to not know

RasputinLives you make some great points. you might be right, the upturn is a weird one undoubtedly & never thought about his developmental skills

but the stats are there in same way as kubica v Russell. you can only beat your teammate & Alonso outqualified a highly regarded vandoorne 26 consecutive times. then he won the monaco GP twice. couldve won indy 500 on debut & impressed at dakar in 2019
 

RasputinLives

Leave me alone I'm on Smoko
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But I don't believe that to be a fair reflection because I know how his other team mates got treated so I'm 100% sure Vandoorne was handicapped. It goes all the way back to Fisichella. I believe it was a very good management strategy to ensure Fernando had this higher ranking in the team written into his contract - that way he thrashes his team mate whether he is winning or not. Then when it comes to contact time or sponsor time he can chuck the stats out. The only time it didn't happen was 2007 and look how he and his team reacted. It was all very Flavio.

In fact the Falvio connection and the team mate connection is probably why they took on Fisichella for Renault rather than Webber as was rumoured was going to happen. They'd already chucked Trulli out mid-season.
 

F1Brits_90

Race Winner
maybe but 2007 yes, but button in 2015 beat alonso so shows it was possible.

but i dont get the handicapped thing because why would they spend $5m a weekend to not give the guy a fair go. if youve lost confidence you get rid
 
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