Head To Head Jenson Button vs Lewis Hamilton
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Lewywo4
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If Mclaren had made a decision not to fully support Lewis at Abu Dhabi......I hardly think that Hamilton would have been so much faster than Button during qualifying, especially by .660 sec.
Chad Stewarthill, do you care to elaborate on why my alternate theory is so ridiculous that you wont even give a proper answer?
Fenderman
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Perhaps tooncheese you could elucidate your theory further. i'd like to hear more about it.
tooncheese, it just seems to me that some people are so determined to find any reason for Hamilton's ill fortune this season than, well.. ill fortune, that it's as if they are clutching at straws.
Like at Singapore, it wasn't long after Lewis retired from the lead with a busted gearbox that the 'theory' started being bandied about that it might have been at least partly his own doing after a brush with the wall in qualifying. How many other times can you recall when drivers have had similar brushes with the barriers, with the result that the gearbox later broke?
Some people even accused him of being partly culpable for the carnage caused by Grosjean at Valencia (for which the Frenchman was given a one race ban), saying something like 'He had plenty of room, he didn't need to put a wheel on the grass'.
Are you seriously suggesting that Hamilton could have contributed to the failure of his car's fuel pump, or electrics, by 'unsympathetic' driving? If so, then I challenge you to come up with any scrap of evidence whatsoever to back such a claim up.
Like at Singapore, it wasn't long after Lewis retired from the lead with a busted gearbox that the 'theory' started being bandied about that it might have been at least partly his own doing after a brush with the wall in qualifying. How many other times can you recall when drivers have had similar brushes with the barriers, with the result that the gearbox later broke?
Some people even accused him of being partly culpable for the carnage caused by Grosjean at Valencia (for which the Frenchman was given a one race ban), saying something like 'He had plenty of room, he didn't need to put a wheel on the grass'.
Are you seriously suggesting that Hamilton could have contributed to the failure of his car's fuel pump, or electrics, by 'unsympathetic' driving? If so, then I challenge you to come up with any scrap of evidence whatsoever to back such a claim up.
Chad Stewarthill
I posted after the Singapore GP....that Lewis' brush with the wall at the end of Q3 could have caused Lewis' retirement from the race the next day.......but I didn't blame Lewis.
Vettel & Button were in front of Lewis....Seb crossed the line approx 14/16 secs ahead of LH...not faster than him...... JB was not faster during his last flying lap...I thought McLaren should have told Lewis ...immediately...taken the pressure off him...when he was trying to improve on the fastest time....
Yesterday this is what McLaren did...& SKY alluded to the Singapore similarity..
Unfortunately I had a glass of wine during the Singapore race & made a complete
of trying to get my point across.
When I eventually did........Lewymp4,,,liked it...that meant a lot...THANKS Lewymp4...
I posted after the Singapore GP....that Lewis' brush with the wall at the end of Q3 could have caused Lewis' retirement from the race the next day.......but I didn't blame Lewis.
Vettel & Button were in front of Lewis....Seb crossed the line approx 14/16 secs ahead of LH...not faster than him...... JB was not faster during his last flying lap...I thought McLaren should have told Lewis ...immediately...taken the pressure off him...when he was trying to improve on the fastest time....
Yesterday this is what McLaren did...& SKY alluded to the Singapore similarity..
Unfortunately I had a glass of wine during the Singapore race & made a complete
of trying to get my point across.When I eventually did........Lewymp4,,,liked it...that meant a lot...THANKS Lewymp4...
I can't come up with any hard evidence, and I never claimed to have any.
In the past drivers could be the difference between a retirement and a finish. For example at Lotus in 1967 Clark finished 6 races to Hill's 3, and even managed to coax the H16 across the line at the 1966 US GP. A mechanic once said how they would replace the brake pads on Hill's car mid-weekend, but Jimmy's could last multiple weekends.
Back in the present day a few member noted how of late Hamilton has had more mechanical issues, and given that we know the drivers are on equal status, so presumably equal parts, you would expect the reliability to be roughly similar.
When it so clearly isn't there must be another factor at play. Now I highly doubt that McLaren would sabotage Lewis, it will never be beneficial for them to hinder their top scoring driver especially as they are in a tight battle for second in the championship and the millions it will earn them.
And so the only variable is the driver, and I don't think its unreasonable to think that drivers have an effect on reliability. Massa at India last year attacked the kerbs far more than Alonso and broke his suspension twice. Its not a great example, as transmission is very different to suspension. But the driver can effect the transmission lifespan, maybe Lewis likes to trail the brake into corners which would increase mechanical stress a little.
I hope I've made my point clear, it was only ever a theory, I still think there may be some truth in it, however it is plausible that the the various laws of stats and averages have dealt Lewis a rubbish hand that is none of his doing.
The Artist.....
Champion Elect
tooncheese
The same allegation was levelled at Raikkonen whilst he was at McLaren, as he so often suffered from engine failures- certainly more so than his relative team-mates....
It could also be a possibility that somehow the mechanics who work on Hamilton's car are somehow less competent than those who work on Button's car.... Certainly, all things bing equal, if there is an inequality in terms of unreliability, it is likely that there is something different across the cars- whether this be driver, mechanics, or just luck!
The same allegation was levelled at Raikkonen whilst he was at McLaren, as he so often suffered from engine failures- certainly more so than his relative team-mates....
It could also be a possibility that somehow the mechanics who work on Hamilton's car are somehow less competent than those who work on Button's car.... Certainly, all things bing equal, if there is an inequality in terms of unreliability, it is likely that there is something different across the cars- whether this be driver, mechanics, or just luck!
Vortex
Race Winner
Gary Anderson on the forum said hitting the kerbs could cause it to fail.
He said the fuel pump is mounted on the chassis and when the engine's attached to the chassis a small drive shaft from the engine goes into the pump to drive the pump and if the engine was to move on the back of the chassis, which on these kerbs without doubt it does it can move and damage the shaft or bearings causing a failure. Its been happening for years.
I believe it was just really bad luck though as all the drivers run the kerbs.
He said the fuel pump is mounted on the chassis and when the engine's attached to the chassis a small drive shaft from the engine goes into the pump to drive the pump and if the engine was to move on the back of the chassis, which on these kerbs without doubt it does it can move and damage the shaft or bearings causing a failure. Its been happening for years.
I believe it was just really bad luck though as all the drivers run the kerbs.
Lewywo4
Race Winner
Chad Stewarthill
I posted after the Singapore GP....that Lewis' brush with the wall at the end of Q3 could have caused Lewis' retirement from the race the next day.......but I didn't blame Lewis.
Vettel & Button were in front of Lewis....Seb crossed the line approx 14/16 secs ahead of LH...not faster than him...... JB was not faster during his last flying lap...I thought McLaren should have told Lewis ...immediately...taken the pressure off him...when he was trying to improve on the fastest time....
Yesterday this is what McLaren did...& SKY alluded to the Singapore similarity..
Unfortunately I had a glass of wine during the Singapore race & made a complete
When I eventually did........Lewymp4,,,liked it...that meant a lot...THANKS Lewymp4...
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