Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Kewee - Because they've already forced everyone else out...

Joking aside, I don't think they wanted to miss the opportunity of signing Vettel, who could lead the team perhaps for a decade, and they've decided they're not ready for a third year of paying Raikkonen to not drive for them.

They're, of course, gobsmackingly wrong if they see a solution to anything on the performance side by ditching Alonso, but they're not renowned for clarity of thought.
 
I wasn't referring to a bad tempered tit for tat, merely the back and forth of two opinions that are so rock solid in their own positions that it rapidly becomes futile.
 
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Ferrari aren't renowned for making good thought out driver choices with an eye to the future. Sorry to bring up Jules in the current circumstances, but what a missed opportunity there. Instead they rehire the man they payed a bucket load of money not to race. And he's not producing the goods this time round either.
Alonso can produce the goods , so they ditch him and hire the guy with the most world championships. Are they hoping double diffusers might make a comeback? Because without one Vettel is nothing special. They seem afraid to take a chance in young talent, have missed lots of opportunities with lots if exciting young drivers.
Alonso may be trouble behind the scenes, but he can drive a car better than most. Maybe he's more trouble than we know? And the 'gates' he seems to have breezed through untarnished have actually left their mark.
Ron is a man who is brave in his driver choices with an eye to the future( Hamilton, Mags) . If the decision were purely Ron's I don't think Alonso would be going there. And I reckon Ron is not above stitching Alonso up after spy gate. But I think Honda have a say. So if Honda want him, then maybe he wil go there.
 
racecub, you wrote a bit of what I'm thinking. Fernando seems a nice guy but just perhaps he's not actually an easy person for a team to work with, and the fact his cars have underperformed since he last won a WDC might be partly down to his input? He and his fans alway claimed he was one of the best drivers in terms of car development. (the "6 tenths" for instance but maybe it's not the case? At least with Vettel they'll have a recent WDC and one without the baggage of Fernando.

I still can't see Fernando going to McLaren. I would think it would be a cold day in hell before either agree to talk to each other. Still, could be entertaining if true.
 
racecub .... Minor correction. Alonso wasn't ditched, he asked to be released from the remaining two years of his contract. The decision was his based on the realisation that in Ferrari's words, they weren't expecting to be competitive until 2017. To realise his dream Alonso needs a competitive car way before then.
 
teabagyokel ... to be honest Teabag the Vettel decision bewilders me, he doesn't seem able to shine without a blown bottom. I've always wondered about his ability without a car advantage but I'm surprised at just how superior Ricciardo has been. I don't believe his time at Ferrari will bring the success he experienced with Red Bull.
 
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I think people are slightly over-estimating whatever level of resentment either Alonso or Dennis may still have lingering about each other. Or more exactly under-estimating Ron's pragmatism. And surely had Ferrari taken the initiative to get rid of fernando considering what he was being paid the amount they'd have to pay him for any contract severance wouldn't bear thinking about?

It's impossible for us to know precise details of drivers' contracts but assuming Alonso did indeed request his contract be terminated it's reasonable to assume it'll be a while before anything comes to light.

Because it's probably the lawyers on all sides who are doing all the work right now.
 
It was Montezemolo that stated Alonso had asked to be released from his contract. He said it was his departing gift to him when he left Ferrari. Despite what some would like to believe, they were close and he always appreciated how much Alonso gave during his five years with the team.
 
Departing "gift"???

Do you seriously believe any president of any company anywhere would simply forfeit a multi-million severance sum in the name of his company and get away with it within the corporation?
 
It was not suggested money was involved. Montezemolo asked Alonso what he would like as a gift on his departure, Alonso said he would like to be released from his contract. That was exactly as it was reported as a quote from the departing Montezemolo.
Releasing Alonso will have required a lot more than a pay-off, it's obvious Montezemolo was able to smooth the path for Alonso's departure during his final days in control.
 
Personally, I can see the logic in this from all sides. I can also see why people think that it is not logical.

From a Ferrari point of view, the big issue is that they have not produced a world class car recently. That is not Fernando's doing, however, ad he has still been performing well. However, until they do produce a decent car, it does not matter who they have in the car, they are not going to win either the WCC or the WDC. So the focus clearly needs to be in the engineering side rather than the race side. Mattiachi has said that, and that it will take a little while to sort out. Fernando is not getting any younger, and wants to win now, so needs to seek out the best chance to do that. he is also probably somewhat wary, as Ferrari have likely been saying something similar for many years, and he is now getting a little tired of hearing it. so he wants out.

Additionally, with the noises being made, there is still a chance that the move away for Fernando is beneficial to the team also, as maybe (I don't know) the impact of Fernando staying with the team could have a negative impact on morale, as despite performing strongly, a change may re-invigorate, and have the fresh impetus, much as Alonso had when he joined the Scuderia, and got involved with the team, Vettel I believe would integrate himself very well. Also, I do not believe that he is as far behind Alonso as to be a significant hindrance to winning, as long as the car is good enough, and he can afford to wait the couple of years that have been stated to return to winning ways. Lets make no mistake, providing Ferrari get the right people on board, they have the budget to mix it consistently.

Alonso has a more tricky proposition however, certainly a more risky one, and it would appear that he will be relying on luck to get a good team.

Red Bull have already made a choice, Mercedes already have 2 really strong drivers, and no real need for Alonso, the only logical drive for him is McLaren. I believe that both Fernando and Ron are pragmatic enough to put all the past shenanigans behind them for the greater good, but that is only of any use if the team can produce a winning car, and Honda can produce a winning engine.

Sorry to say this, but I think that Fernando has the most to lose in all of the moves, and his bargaining position is only getting weaker, and I am not sure that a year out will really help matters.

I can see a long term deal at McLaren, but I am not sure I can see any more success than he had at Ferrari, after all, both teams seem to be afflicted by the same issues, which will take a similar length of time to sort out, and both are a way off, has he got the time to wait for McLaren to sort things out?

Who knows. Certainly not me, as I always seem to be wrong on these things, so go with the opposite of everything I just said!!
 
I'd say Vettel is in a slightly tricky position too come think of it.
The bare cold facts over this season are that Raikkonen has been trounced by Alonso. That surely puts pressure on Vettel to do likewise, as any failure to do so will invite comparisons in the eyes of the public.
 
Don't think Mclaren's lack of pace this year has been entirely been down to the chassis or mechanical side. Merc hasn't been given them all updates this year out of fear for Honda.
Who knows maybe Honda will deliver a revolutionary engine power unit for next year. Howe ever the rumor is that they are behind schedule.
 
The McLaren move for me has every bit as much risk in terms of performance as remaining at Ferrari. Ferrari have had a year of running a powerplant to see what needs to be done, and Honda have not, although they do have the advantage of not being bound by the terms of the development restrictions.

As for Vettel, his rep has already taken a hit this season, so the cost to him will be mitigated a bit by that, he also has a lot to gain if things do swing in his direction.

Of course, a wallet stuffed full of euros may soften the blow some what.
 
teabagyokel ... to be honest Teabag the Vettel decision bewilders me, he doesn't seem able to shine without a blown bottom. I've always wondered about his ability without a car advantage but I'm surprised at just how superior Ricciardo has been. I don't believe his time at Ferrari will bring the success he experienced with Red Bull.

Kewee said:

"I'm of the opinion that Vettel has lifted his game to a level even Alonso may have difficulty matching. As I've said he may well have become the finest driver the sports ever seen." Nov 13 2013 Sebastian Vettel #1183
 
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