Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
So Rory Byrne is as good as Newy? Not how people or Fernando for that matter make out. Its said that Vettel only has his record because Newy builds super cars.

Are we now saying Schumacher has no talent and it was all down to Rory Byrne?
 
RasputinLives Shall we use Damon Hill as an example then?

Schumacher had talent but he won all but 3 races in a Byrne car and all the other things aside may not have won so easily with all the various significant advantages the team and tyre suppliers gave him
 
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So are you now saying that whosoever drives a Byrne car is next season's odd-on favourite, and all of their wins (if any) are due solely to the car?

The fact remains that both Brawn and Byrne followed Schuey to Ferrari, not vice-versa. They did so because they knew that they they had the best driver in the world at that time handling their car. IMHO, people keep trotting out that rubbish because of their refusal (possibly due to nationality) to admit that Schumacher was one of the all-time great talents of F1.
 
Could we bring this back to a discussion about Fernando Alonso please. If you want to discuss the merits and demerits of various designer/driver combinations please go ahead and start a thread.

Thanks

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On the topic of Fernando (which I was) I'm merely trying to point out that the idea that he is completely loyal to Ferrari at all costs and there is no way he'd move ever ever ever is a bit naive and wishful thinking from a Ferrari fan.

I'm not saying Alonso is going to Red Bull all I'm saying is that if they put a deal on the table for him he's likely to jump at it.
 
RasputinLives ..... My point is that with so many changes next season drivers with the top three or four teams will be unlikely to move, especially Alonso. Ferrari have had a few disappointing races but not enough to unsettle Alonso. I'm not sure why you would suggest I was saying Schumacher had no talent. I simply said Byrne designs wonderful cars that win titles. Yes he is the equal of Newey. Thats not off topic FB, I just believe Alonso will have considered all the factors that will affect next season which is part of the general discussion around Fernando.
 
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siffert_fan Schumacher had talent but he did not handle things well .. please don't bring nationality rubbish into it ... it just happens as Button moaned a few years back sarcastically "Bloody Germans!"

The one season I respected him was 2003 although Ferrari played the dirty politics at the right moment to dent Montoya's challenge

I despised Alonso for all the sulking he caused at Mclaren because it nearly killed the whole team for half the season but obviously now you can see his abilities in a not so competitive car

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RasputinLives ..... My point is that with so many changes next season drivers with the top three or four teams will be unlikely to move, especially Alonso. Ferrari have had a few disappointing races but not enough to unsettle Alonso. I'm not sure why you would suggest I was saying Schumacher had no talent. I simply said Byrne designs wonderful cars that win titles. Yes he is the equal of Newey. Thats not off topic FB, I just believe Alonso will have considered all the factors that will affect next season which is part of the general discussion around Fernando.

Again I think you're trying to convince yourself rather than me and I still think Fernando would jump at the chance if he got it.

I also think as we've had a couple of people suggest Byrne is the equal of Newy on here that we this should be remembered next time the same people pull out the "Vettel only wins because of Newy cars" line.

Can't have it both way folks.

Plus this 2014 rules shake up is not going to be like 2009 ya know. Its not that massive a change that all current work will be wiped out like it was then.
 
Again I think you're trying to convince yourself rather than me and I still think Fernando would jump at the chance if he got it.

I also think as we've had a couple of people suggest Byrne is the equal of Newy on here that we this should be remembered next time the same people pull out the "Vettel only wins because of Newy cars" line.

Can't have it both way folks.
I'm not trying to convince myself of anything. I'm 65 years old and am offering an opinion, nothing less, nothing more.
You say you can't have it both ways, you can actually. I was one who attributed Vettels success to the Red Bull car, but last year and even more so this year he's been driving beautifully and I have acknowledged he is now the equal to his car. You seem hell bent on picking everything I say to bits. Your entitled to of course but you seem to not want to recognize that although I openly admit I'm an Alonso fan, I'm also open minded enough to acknowledge Hamilton's, Vettels and other drivers huge talent.
 
The only reason I'm 'picking things to bits' is because you have made every excuse from 'Latin culture' to 'Ferrari have the best designer' to try and prove Alonso would never ever ever consider going to Red Bull and its all rubbish.

The best drivers go where they have the best prospect of winning. Red Bull looks like the best prospect currently and if they do chuck that offer on the table he will have a dam good think about it. Same as he did with the Mclaren offer, same as he did with the Ferrari offer.

Suggesting he's loyal loyal Ferrari and he'd never consider driving for that fizzy drinks company is just naive and wishful thinking.

We've bumped up the number of posts on the thread at least eh?
 
Nothing I've said is intended as an excuse. The latin culture comment was anything but rubbish. The temperament of Alonso and Ferrari are a perfect fit and because they're so much alike will always have little tiff's, The latin passion and English conservatism at McLaren was anything but a good match as all could see. Incidentally there wasn't a McLaren offer, at the time Alonso made the approach to McLaren.
Regarding Ferrari having the best designer, I never said that. Rory Byrne's involvement is with the 2014 car not the current car.
You don't appear to rate Rory Byrne. He's now 70 years old and probably the most respected designer in the sports history.
 
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I can't help but agree that Fernando and Ferrari are made for each other. I don't believe he will leave Ferrari as he joined them on a mission and hasn't accomplished that yet but stranger things have happened. Both Alonso and Ferrari have a potential problem if they do fall out though as there may not be a seat anywhere for Fernando to go and there aren't any other top drivers free for Ferrari to snaffle up so the status-quo is likely to remain.
 
Apparently a very reliable and well connected source.

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I never said I didn't rate Rory Byrne I'm just pointing out that Newy = championships has been the common consenses when rating Vettel so to suddenly suggest Alonso wouldn't want a Newy car because Byrne is just as good seems to contradict that.

As for latin temperment not working at Mclaren. Ayrton Senna? Any driver can make it work anywhere if they get the right situation and all I'm saying is that just as Lewis was never going to stay with Mclaren forever or Mansell with Williams or whichever super working pair you want to pick, Fernando is not silly enough to limit himself to the 'never consider anyone else but Ferrari' option and one day he will leave and probably drive for someone else.

I'm not saying thats now and I'm not saying thats Red Bull I'm just saying don't think for a second he wouldn't move on from Ferrari if a better offer came along.
 
I like Alonso very much and believe that he is the BEST driver on the grid. I actually don't care (or believe) about his politics, sound-bites or bad press/reputation. He is the nearest we get to the 'old school' driver that was populated by the likes of Fangio, Jim Clark, Senna, G Hill, etc. They all did what they thought would make them world champion - they weren't thinking about global audience figures and money in the bank. They just wanted to win.

A racer is a racer. The other two stand-out chaps are Kimi and Lewis. The one thing they (and Alonso) have in common is they can get a crap car higher than it should be.

Nando will pick what he believes is best for his desire to become a three times world champion - I don't care where it is. If he has to be pleasant to Horner, so be it.
 
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I never said I didn't rate Rory Byrne I'm just pointing out that Newy = championships has been the common consenses when rating Vettel so to suddenly suggest Alonso wouldn't want a Newy car because Byrne is just as good seems to contradict that.
Once again your suggesting I've said something that I haven't. Alonso has made it quite clear he would love a car as good as the Red Bull, in other words a Newey car, which is why he's had his ear chewed, but he's also made it clear he's very happy at Ferrari and committed to helping them become World Champions again and achieving another title for himself in the process. Unlike you I don't see a contradiction there, just a driver showing loyalty to a team he's made a commitment to and a team he believes in.
 
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