Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
Kewee ... "Red Bull have the arrogance to believe they can just buy him"

Not that long ago a team in scarlett did pretty much the same thing to F1... goose gander medicine kettle black shoe other foot ... etc ... etc ... :whistle:

.... and a sodding fizzy drink company to boot :aww:
Yes they did but I'm not talking about a team in scarlet I'm talking about the fizzy drink company. :popcorn:
 
I can't help but think Fernando is on the decline and his current attitude at Ferrari, and previous history at other teams, is going to make other top team management very nervous of taking him on to drive for them. Best thing he could do is keep his gob shut, his head down and drive the red machine as fast as possible. He ain't going to get the same level of "service" anywhere else on the grid now that Flav isn't around.
 
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Intersting opinion FB. I don't think anyone will have considered if Alonso's pace is as quick as it's always been.

He's been in F1 for 12 years so perhaps his peak has been reached. The big factor in motorsport though, unlike almost every other form of sport, is the factor induced by the car. For example, a young Rubens did some wonderful things with a pretty slow Jordan (Donnignton 1993 for example) where as an old Rubens (sorry Rubens, you'll still be a fave of mine) was perhaps made to look far better than he was by a very good Brawn.
 
Alonso has not exactly denied the rumours either ... why not if you want to mess with Vettel playing little mind games and start make him worry about off track distractions

Nor have Red Bull come out and said that Alonso was not someone they did not consider
although I expect Helmut to really push things along if he is true to his word
 
Josh ...... Luis Garcia denied having discussions with Christian Horner regarding Alonso at Hungary. Their meeting related to Carlos Sainz, Red Bulls junior driver, who is also managed by Luis Garcia. The other point to consider is there will always be room for mischief making regarding contact between the two teams due to the link Garcia has to both Alonso and Sainz and the link between the teams with Toro Rosso being Ferrari powered. It's very much a case of why let the truth get in the way of a good story. You can be sure of one thing, Christian Horner is having a hell of lot of fun with the story and everyones feeding off it including the fans.

Oh okay so why did Alonso not immediately deny it? I've only seen Horner speak around the question, neither confirming nor denying it. The same as Alonso did when asked by Lee McKenzie.

But yeah I guess it must be because Red Bull are arrogant and believe they can buy him... :rolleyes:
 
Josh ..... He did deny it. When asked if his manager had approached Christian Horner he said, "I don't think so, Not that I know". He's also said he's very happy at Ferrari and intends ending his career with them. Why would he bother making any further comment anyway, fans and the media usually choose not to believe him.
Regarding Christian Horner, as I said he loves playing games like these. If he's not just teasing anyone who chooses to listen he's sounding very arrogant. When he speaks of driver choices he speaks as though the choice is his alone. I always thought a contract was between two people. Alonso is certainly not a pawn for Christian Horner to play with.

A far shorter answer to your posting should have been why should anyone feel obliged to answer questions based on rumor.
 
Absolutely NOT at all.
1) He needs to be talking to a driver that wants to drive for Red Bull
2) The driver he wants to employ has to be freed from his current contract to enable him to sign a contract with his new
employer.

Where Alonso drives next year, assuming he was free to walk away from Ferrari will be very much Alonso's choice. All of this is irrelevant anyway as he has made it very clear despite the fact they are struggling with the car at present, he is very happy at Ferrari and has stated he wants to end his career with them. In other words he has no intention of breaking his contract. There are many factors that bind Alonso to Ferrari that have nothing to do with money, and unless you understand the latin culture it's not easy to grasp. He WILL be at Ferrari next year. NO DOUBT. :yes:
 
Are you trying to convince us or yourself.

Alonso is who he is because he likes to win and you can talk about latin culture all you like but if Fernando can see a chance to be in a car that will win him the F1 title then I'd say he'd grab it whether it be Ferrari, Red Bull or a fricking Skoda. Don't you ever doubt that.

There have been few drivers who have wasted their careers out of loyalty (hello Jean Alesi!) but I'm under no illustions Fernando is one of them.
 
RasputinLives ..... Your missing something which surprises me. Fernando did exactly what you said in 2007, he went to the team he knew could bring him titles and we all saw the resulting disaster of two very different cultures trying to live together.
Another factor I haven't forgotten, others may have, is all drivers will be in the loop and aware of their teams plans for 2014. Alonso will certainly be informed regarding the progress Rory Byrne is making on their new car. He may well believe they could be in the box seat. Every driver will have an indication of what they will have to work with next season by staying where they are, none will have any real idea of what they would be going to by moving teams with so many changes in the regulations.
 
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Or he might be talking to Red Bull and falling out with Ferrari because he realises he's not. Depends which way you look at it.

Just because he fell out with one team does not mean he won't take a chance with another just means he'll try and handle things differently. Its been a long time since those titles and whatever you say about this, that or the other there is no was Alonso would not jump at the chance to be in a title winning car whichever team its with.
 
He may well believe the Ferrari could be that car next season. No one in the sport will underestimate Rory Byrne. You said Alonso would jump at the chance to be in a title winning car. A team needs more than the fastest car, how they wish it was that simple. McLaren had the best car by far in 2007 and lost the title to Ferrari. Teams need a genuinely happy environment where they can all work together with the same aim, Everyone knows that wouldn't happen with Alonso and Vettel teamed together. It would provide the perfect path for Hamilton to win another title. :popcorn:
 
Doesn't always work like that. Senna and Prost were the most volitile pairing F1 has ever seen and it brought Mclaren 2 championships and a season where they won 15 out of 16 races.
 
They do but I don't think that applies anymore. Who's winning at present appears to have become tyre and circuit dependent. Next year with vastly different cars it will be anyones guess.
 
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