Current Fernando Alonso

Suprised there's no thread (although I had one for his blogs), so i'll start off:

A double world championship vs Raikkonen and then Schumacher in 2005 and 2006 respectively elevated Alonso's status but, apparently, no one told his rookie teammate at his brand new team of a theoretical 'pecking order' the following season ... and the Spaniard was 'seen off' by the young Englishman, Hamilton, into two years of Wilderness while both Hamilton and an even younger Vettel began to make their mark through '08 and '09.

Arguably, Alonso was in the Top 3 of all the Formula One 'Aces' in the 2000s following Hakkinen's retirement - up there with either Schumacher/Raikkonen and, then, Raikkonen/Hamilton - and remains so in the early 2010s along with Hamilton/Vettel...with only Kubica knocking on the door until the Pole's horrible Rallying accident.

A question mark initially over 2004 during which Trulli lead him in the standing until the Italian fell out with ex-manager and team boss Flavio Briatore (Alonso's then business manager) under dubious circumstances after the French Grand Prix.

Another question mark is...Who has progressed more since the end of 2007: Hamilton or Alonso?

A fan. Then came the unfortunate blackmail allegations against McLaren boss Ron Dennis on the morning of the 2007 Hungarian GP which came to light at the highly costly FIA 'Spy-Gate' hearings before Spa...followed by the odour of the deliberate crashing of the Number 2 Renault car at Singapore in 2008 which lead to Alonso finishing 1st in the event and ended in the banning of Briatore and Pat Symmonds a year later.

2009 was a poor year with 'Nando's' mind likely on the prospect of Santander paving the way to better prospects at Maranello one year earlier.

2010 was a fresh start at Ferrari (who no longer had Schumacher walking through the premises regularly) but first half season mistakes ultimately cost him a title inspite of being infamously aided by a Team Orders switch w Massa at Hockenheim (which lead to more world-wide criticism).

Relatively fast, relatively consistent but prone to mistakes and a possible insecurity complex (*) based on wanting sole focus from a team and being only happy with a Number 2 in the other car running behind him. Anything else and it seemingly rattles him.

(*) This is my own personal opinion.

..and so to 2011...

He's underperformed only at Malaysia (hit Hamilton) and China (invisible while Massa challenged McLarens and Red Bulls) and, arguably, Canada...but has maximized his chances in the other 6 races culminating in the British GP win.

He said in his post-Monaco blog that 'Silverstone would be the WDC cut-off'...and so, after some major upgrades, the Ferrari looks a winner again. It might be too late for 2011 given Vettel's finishing rate...but the 2012 regs means they should keep the hammer down at Maranello.

He's signed on through to 2016...So hopes are high of a WDC at some juncture...but not yet.
 
I think somebody should give Ben Bowlby, designer of the Deltawing racer, a chance to design an F1. Who knows what he could come up with?
 
Saying that a car is child's play compared to something that's yet to hit the track or set a competitive lap is quite frankly outrageous. Let's not forget that it's taken Newey a couple of years and some timely technical rule changes to take Redbull where they are today.
 
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23495111

Looks like the crack is starting to widen.

Especially like the line about what do you want for your birthday "someone else's car".

As I said a few posts back, the powers that be in Ferrari don't like their drivers to have their own voice.

If you'd have asked me Sunday afternoon would Alonso have been on the move at the end of the season I'd have said never in a million years. Well tonight I'd have to say maybe not in a thousand years. I guess now, it's going to come down to how Ferrari perform in the next few races. Red Bull have got time enough to wait for the right man, it's not like they'll be short of applicants for the job.
 
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The question is, if he moves, who will replace him?

Only top line driver is Raikkonen, and I don't think he would want to go back.

Hulkenberg could go but as much as I rate him highly, it will leave Ferrari somewhat weak.
 
Saying that a car is child's play compared to something that's yet to hit the track or set a competitive lap is quite frankly outrageous. Let's not forget that it's taken Newey a couple of years and some timely technical rule changes to take Redbull where they are today.
The "child's play" quote was from Rory Byrne, not me. I don't have a problem with Rory Byrne saying something outrageous, not when you've got a winning history like his.
 
Fernando doesn't look too bad in Red Bill kit

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Kewee.......He doesn't look that bad, and I also really don't think that it will happen. I enjoyed the fight between Kimi and Vettal during the last stages of the race in Hungary last sunday. Personally I'm Looking forward towards, and hoping to see Kimi sitting on the ooposite side of Vettal in the Red Bull garage.
 
I'm really upset about this affair. It seems Alonso is stirring the pot so that Ferrari understand he can take his business somewhere else. As far as I understand how frustrated he can be, I doubt this is the right way to deal with this issue. Ferrari is not going to take this lightly and Montezemolo has already retorted emphatically, Ferrari is bigger than you and I is the message. And the great benefited is of course Horner and company. It reminded a little bit a Big Band Theory episode where Sheldon questions Wil Wheaton if he would break a couple just to win a bowling game. I think Horner has just done that. There's really no return as the damage is done and probably it's only downhill from here.
 
How easy it is to blame Alonso. He's been carrying Ferrari for three and a half years and finally he's showing his frustration. I don't blame him. It's worth noting Montezemolo's comment that "this Ferrari doesn't sit well with me". Seems to me he's as disappointed as Alonso. Can't see much difference between his and Alonso's comments to be honest. I think he needs to stop and think where they'd be without Alonso.
 
Hamberg - and for two of the last three years they wouldn't have been runner-up in the Championship. Where they'll finish this year is yet to be determined.
 
Kewee

Unless I am mistaken, last year was the only one of the last three years where Ferrari were runner up. The other two times, they finished third. And last year, their ascendancy seemed to be at least as much due to McLaren losing the plot as to their showing increasing strength. And let's face it, there have only been 3 consistently top teams for years--Ferrari, McLaren and RB (relative newcomers to that status). There have been occasional forays into the stratosphere by Brawn and now, Lotus, but neither has mounted a consistent presence at the top.

I also think Alonso's options would be limited. He didn't just burn the bridges to McLaren, he nuked them by trying to blackmail RD. I can't see him going to RB while Vettel is there, as he would never be granted his mandatory #1 status. I can't see him going to Merc, as he didn't relish being teamed with LH before, so I think his be shot would be Lotus. And that would be a considerable step down from the Red Menace team.
 
siffert_fan ..... The title of this thread is Fernando Alonso. I was referring to the drivers championship not the constructors. Alonso was runner-up in 2010 and again in 2012. I haven't got involved in where drivers will be next year though in Alonso's case I don't think for one moment he'll be anywhere other than Ferrari. I think the entire team is frustrated at not getting on top of their problems and in fairness to Alonso he probably only said what the entire team is thinking including Montezemolo. Regarding all the options you've listed I think they're all irrelevant, Alonso made his final career choice when he joined Ferrari.
One final comment, Alonso's mandatory #1 status as you put it, is something he has always said he has to earn. He has repeated in many interviews he has never asked to be #1 just to be treated equally, anything more he expects to work for and earn.
 
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To be fair Kewee, he also said there were no team orders at Ferrari over FIFTY gate and he didn't know anything about crashgate... One takes Nando with a pinch of salt
 
Hamberg

Slyboogy

I very rarely enter the Fernando Alonso thread despite being a huge fan. Almost always it goes off topic and ends up discussing the past, I see no point as the facts are disputable. Sometimes the best way to measure someone is by looking at how their peers judge them. Among his fellow drivers Alonso is one of the most respected in the sport, on and off the grid. If all the negatives that have been said about Alonso were true, Webber especially wouldn't go near him, yet they have a very long genuine friendship, that says far more to me than any of the opinions I read on a forum, written by people who don't even know him.
 
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